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Old 12-04-2000, 11:48 AM   #1
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Have you guys seen this video? I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

I know how easily it is to get fixated on the car in front of you when you are on the track. Still, he is going a bit fast for one of the first hot laps of the day.

How much do you want to bet he has a big rear sway bar (and doesn't really seem to know how to use it).

check out thecrash.mpeg
at:
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Edit: Check out Randy's link below for a better download site
(warning, this file is over 5 meg)

The car: '99 legacy GT sedan

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Old 12-04-2000, 01:06 PM   #2
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Yikes! That was not something I needed to watch, considering I'm planning on my first Solo 1 event in the spring. (Beech Mtn. Hill Climb)
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Old 12-04-2000, 01:48 PM   #3
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Yikes! That was not something I needed to watch, considering I'm planning on my first Solo 1 event in the spring. (Beech Mtn. Hill Climb)


Well, solo I is a lot different than solo II, isn't it? Most roll overs I have seen involve the car getting sideways in grass, the tires dig two little trenches, and over you go. Something to be aware of!

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Old 12-04-2000, 01:52 PM   #4
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I dug up Patrick's Full Account of the Roll from a while back...

Just a FYI for the people that have not seen it before...

Also, as not to tax anyon's personal server, I sent this vid off to IGN
because it was flooding my T1 at work when *I* was hosting it... they have it in the Hardcore TV section...


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Old 12-04-2000, 01:58 PM   #5
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It's all good! I just had one of those moments, you know, like ****! that sucks! But I'm glad you threw it out there for anyone who missed it! Thanks!
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Old 12-04-2000, 02:16 PM   #6
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Randy, Thanks for the link, that was pretty educational!

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Old 12-04-2000, 02:25 PM   #7
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How much you wanna bet he does have a larger sway bar and KNOWs how to use it?


Well, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but he drives a lot different on the track than I do. In my opinion, there are several things going on that are dangerous and they all added up to a bad situation.

Its a good learning tool that I would like to use when puting on track events. It is a graphic description of what I try to explain to people when instructing.

I understand you wanting to defend a friend, and did not mean to offend. I don't know the guy. We all make mistakes. Lord knows, I have made mistakes on the track too. Personally, I really admire him for sharing this with us and letting us all learn from his mistake.
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Old 12-04-2000, 06:34 PM   #8
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RandyF, Thanks for the link! It was nice to read the story behind the accident.
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Old 12-04-2000, 08:35 PM   #9
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Hey, RandyF, do you by chance know how many hits the video took before you took it off your server? I remember you said it had taken over 22k hits in the first week, and that was as it was just barely starting to become famous.

SilverSurfer, I appreciate the backup, but I'm really not all that experienced on the track. The accident occured at only my 3rd OT event. I do think I was quite capable of controlling the car with the bigger sway bar, as I explained in the old post linked to by RandyF above. The wreck was simply a matter of a mental lapse/over confidence.

And, no, the accident had nothing to do with becoming "fixated on the car in front" of me. I can still remember with the utmost clarity what my thought was as I approached the corner - "OK, I've got some open track with no slow traffic ahead, the last time I was here at LRP I was able to take this corner with the hammer down in 4th." It was not "Oooo, I must catch the Porsche." Catching the Porsche was a foregone conclusion, and I couldn't pass him for another half a lap anyway, so I wasn't in any rush to get up on his rear bumper.

It turned out that I quickly realized my recollection from last time was wrong. In actuality, the last time at LRP I had been easing off prior to turn-in, and then going to WOT pretty much all the way through the turn. Unfortunately, I realized my mistake as I turned in and noticed how quickly I was catching the Porsche and also noticed that, well, I was flying (relatively). I'm pretty sure I tapped that brakes, but as I said in the initial post 3 months ago, I still can't remember if I tapped the brakes or if just letting off the gas was enough to get the rear loose.

Anyway, a new (used '97) 2.5GT is on the way, I should have it this coming weekend. And that 18mm rollbar will be the first thing to go on the car.

Pat Olsen
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Old 12-04-2000, 10:01 PM   #10
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Pat -

I think I served 35k-hits off of my server, in just over 8 full days (full bandwidth of our T1 line), before my IT department got annoyed... most of the hits came after the video got linked on ClubSI and I think one of the Mustang boards, and really got out... I got it to Mike over at IGN asap...

And I just re-read the post and edited the part about when you are going to get a new car... At the risk of turning this thread into a chat-room, did you say you were getting a GT Wagon this time?

Good to see ya around here!

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Old 12-05-2000, 12:06 AM   #11
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FYI, old news/old vid. That vid was posted back in this summer.

How much you wanna bet he does have a larger sway bar and KNOWs how to use it?

That vid is from Patrick Olsen. It was a video of his last race @ Lime Rock where due to whatever circumstance he rolled his Legacy. He was very experienced in racing his GT and I'm sure knew the effects of a larger sway bar would have on his car.

It's just plain sad, nothing to laugh at video.

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Old 12-05-2000, 12:08 AM   #12
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Old 12-05-2000, 10:50 AM   #13
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RandyF - Actually, I'm ending up with a silver '97 2.5GT sedan.

One of the first 5 speeds that I had found online was a wagon, but when I called about it the car was already gone. (Note: Don't trust the listings on autotrader.com - a number of cars had been sold, and I think EVERY car that I called about that was listed as a stick was actually an automatic. How ridiculous!) A wagon was definitely a possibility, but I found another sedan first. There's a wagon that parks near my building at work, it's an automatic, but it's the same color as my old '99 - looks tres sweet!

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Old 12-06-2000, 12:04 AM   #14
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Here's what I'm going to miss about my wagon, when the Whiteline springs show up.... Now, with the bodacious ride height of the stock springs/AGX combo (a tad above stock!), when you're walking to the car you can see the red tops of the AGXs peeking out of the tops of the wheel well.

A friend said one day "Hey, your wheels have little fireman hats!" Too funny.

Good to hear that you're back in the saddle, Pat. Any immediate mods planned?

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Old 12-06-2000, 07:43 AM   #15
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Hey Patrick,

Good to meet you (on line at least). Thanks again for sharing the video with us. Its quite an eye opener. I have no doubt that my subie would go sideways just like yours if I entered a turn too hot. It is certainly a good thing for us (me!) to be concious of.

Its been 20 years since I rolled. The audio in your video brings back some strangely intense memories. There is nothing quite like it.

I just put a rear bar on my car, and am still learning how to use it effectively. I expect that I am going to need some closed course events to really understand its capabilities and limitations.

What ever happened to the insurance question. Were they able/willing to help out?

Thanks for the feedback!

Charles

p.s. oh yeah, I find it is easy for me to get fixated on little white porshes in front of me on the track
No offense intended.


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Old 12-07-2000, 12:29 AM   #16
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gtguy - I'll be getting the car on Saturday morning, and I intend to have the 18mm bar on Saturday afternoon. If I can get my old car's parts (it is still at the salvage facility waiting to be auctioned, at which point I'll need to track it down at whatever parts place picked it up), I'll add stainless steel brake lines and cryo treated front rotors as soon as I can, and some Mintex 1155s will be in order. And I also want the '99 style headlights off my old car - the '97 has the old style with a faceted lens, rather than the smoother looking clear lens on the '99 (and '98 too I think).

I'll be seriously looking into coil-overs, but that will wait a bit.

mx5racer - It took 4 weeks of investigation to decide, but USAA did cover my claim, so I got a nice fat check and the loan paid off. It's annoying that it took so long for them to decide, but it would have been even more annoying if they had said NO and I had then needed to go to court.

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Old 12-07-2000, 06:20 AM   #17
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Oh wells! sometimes shyt happens! Just glad Pat's alright. "Any crash is a good crash if you can walk away..." hehe

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Old 12-07-2000, 02:39 PM   #18
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mx5racer - It took 4 weeks of investigation to decide, but USAA did cover my claim, so I got a nice fat check and the loan paid off. It's annoying that it took so long for them to decide, but it would have been even more annoying if they had said NO and I had then needed to go to court.
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WAY COOL! I am glad to hear that worked out well. I know of someone who did not get the favorable response you got, and ended up sueing the club that put on the event (it is still in litigation). That kind of stuff ruins it for the rest of us.

Now you have me wondering if my 20mm bar is a little too big! Well, it can be adjusted a little bit. I think I'll try softening it for the track after your input.

You are going to like the Stainless Steel lines for the track - especially if you don't have ABS. They make the feel of impending lockup, and the ability to modulate much much nicer.

I hope you kept the Kuhmo's

Thanks
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Old 12-15-2000, 08:29 AM   #19
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I've got the video up on my server and it's getting about a dozen downloads a day since it's been up there.

It's not even listed on a page, just a directory listing with my other Legacy stuff.

Actually, watching that video and reading your summary when the accident happened helped me to keep from rolling my outback in a VERY similar situation! Of course, I wasn't chasing a porsche at 80mph, but then again I wasn't on a race track either =)

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