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Old 02-28-2006, 08:52 AM   #1
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Default News: Australia mulls car smoking ban

Taking it a little too far??

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Australia mulls car smoking ban

By Phil Mercer
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Authorities in Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, are to consider banning smoking in cars.

A parliamentary inquiry will look at the effects of passive smoking on passengers, particularly children.

Supporters of the proposal have admitted, however, that enforcing such a ban would be difficult.

Smokers in Australia have already been squeezed out of bars and restaurants, as well as some beaches and most other public places.

Now Fred Nile from the Christian Democratic Party has drawn up a private member's bill that makes cars the next target.

His idea will be investigated by a parliamentary committee.

The plan appears to have the support of the state government.

A spokesman said that tough action should be implemented to stop the small number of irresponsible people who smoked around youngsters in their cars.

There is, of course, the tricky issue of enforcement.

Ministers have conceded that applying any ban would be difficult.

Similar laws have been proposed in parts of the United States and Germany, but were rejected on privacy grounds.

The New South Wales government said there would have to be far more public debate before any new measures were brought in.

This type of smoking ban has been rejected by the state parliament on two previous occasions.

Supporters of the legislation have argued that research into the dangers of passive smoking has proved that change is urgently needed.

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Published: 2006/02/28 04:48:01 GMT

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Old 02-28-2006, 08:54 AM   #2
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Smoker's cars have low resale value coz it stinks of tar. But I digress.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:55 AM   #3
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i guess they'll have one hand free for the drivin now...since the other will always have a tinnie in it
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:56 AM   #4
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:59 AM   #5
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:04 AM   #6
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Not buckling the offspring and/or smoking in the car with them are two things that piss me off big time. Meet the fockers.

I also don't appreciate sitting next to smokers or following them and have their stinking ****ing *** exhaust enter my car.

I don't think a law is needed but will vent anyways.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:05 AM   #7
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[nonsmoker]What a great idea!!![/nonsmoker]
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:17 AM   #8
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Unless you keep the cigarette/cigar/pipe in your mouth the entire time, youíll be using your HAND to hold the cigarette/cigar/pipe, which is one less hand thatís being used for driving (and thatís one of the reasons weíve banned cell phones in cars, kids).
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:19 AM   #9
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[nonsmoker]i don't really care, but that does seem a bit excessive[/nonsmoker]

but agreed on the keeping hands occupied while smoking thing. Plus it's a burning stick o death, I don't think I'd want to hold one while driving.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:20 AM   #10
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ban it, i'm sick of people throwing their cigs out the window and at my car.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:22 AM   #11
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The only problem is that if you are in traffic and there is a person who is addicted and they don't get their fix it - they are gonna go nuts Road Rage incidents will sky rocket.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:22 AM   #12
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ban it, i'm sick of people throwing their cigs out the window and at my car...
... into my hood scoop.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:34 AM   #13
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honestly. if it's cos people don't have both hands on the wheel (or one on the wheel and one on the stick), then we need to target a much wider range than just smokers.

how about eating, drinking, adjusting the radio, having kids in the vehicle AT ALL, talking to your passenger..... you get the picture.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:36 AM   #14
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They should also ban diesel engines. I was following a school bus this morning, and let me tell you....Grrr...
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:44 AM   #15
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I can smell someone smoking in a car 4 carlengths away in traffic.

I see thier point. I agree with it. But, I don't think it will fly.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:52 AM   #16
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take a look at the reason why they're doing this.

i don't know about you guys, but this is just absolutely screaming "slippery slope" for me. I mean, what's next? banning smoking altogether unless you're 500 yards from the next person?
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Old 02-28-2006, 10:13 AM   #17
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Unless you keep the cigarette/cigar/pipe in your mouth the entire time, youíll be using your HAND to hold the cigarette/cigar/pipe, which is one less hand thatís being used for driving (and thatís one of the reasons weíve banned cell phones in cars, kids).
Have you ever seen someone holding a cigarette? You don't grab it like a hammer. You can still use the hand for everything you need to do in a car. Granted, while reaching for the ashtray you can't, and there's the risk of dropping a burning cigarette, but just holding one doesn't affect your ability to drive.
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Have you ever seen someone holding a cigarette? You don't grab it like a hammer. You can still use the hand for everything you need to do in a car. Granted, while reaching for the ashtray you can't, and there's the risk of dropping a burning cigarette, but just holding one doesn't affect your ability to drive.
If they drop the cigarette and bug out trying to pick it up, etc. - *CRASH*
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If I can't drink in my car while I drive you shouldn't be allowed to smoke

Seriously one less hand on the wheel (but don't ban manual trannys) and the fact that most smokers toss the butt out the window is what I hate. If I didn't know you were smoking I wouldn't care, but when I can see you tossing butts or when there is so much smoke coming from your vehicle I can smell it, that's a bit much don'tcha think? They should make smokers drive in cases with the doors/windows permanently sealed then I would have no problems...
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If they drop the cigarette and bug out trying to pick it up, etc. - *CRASH*
See, that I'd agree with, but you can still use both hands for driving while holding a cig.
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If I can't drink in my car while I drive you shouldn't be allowed to smoke

Seriously one less hand on the wheel (but don't ban manual trannys) and the fact that most smokers toss the butt out the window is what I hate. If I didn't know you were smoking I wouldn't care, but when I can see you tossing butts or when there is so much smoke coming from your vehicle I can smell it, that's a bit much don'tcha think? They should make smokers drive in cases with the doors/windows permanently sealed then I would have no problems...
I read stuff like this and it makes me want to smoke more just to piss people like you off for telling me i shouldn't smoke in my own vehicle. If people dont want me to smoke in my car they they are welcome to pick up my car payments and i will gladly comply. and for the record not everyone throws their cigarettes out of the window, not everyone is inconsiderate.
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If they ban smoking in a car because children are exposed to the smoke, are they going to ban smoking in your house because the children are there too?
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I read stuff like this and it makes me want to smoke more just to piss people like you off for telling me i shouldn't smoke in my own vehicle. If people dont want me to smoke in my car they they are welcome to pick up my car payments and i will gladly comply. and for the record not everyone throws their cigarettes out of the window, not everyone is inconsiderate.
Did you read what I said?

I said that "most" throw butts out their window which is true IMO. I know "some" don't but out of all the people I know that smoke, all but one tosses their butts out the window. Also I see litterally 10 butts thrown out of moving cars on my way to and from work everyday, so please don't tell me that's a gross exageration. I said most for a reason. Also as I said I wouldn't care if I didn't have to smell the smoke. I enjoy fresh air and roll my windows down often to get some in the car. Nothing is worse that enjoying some nice fresh air when some smoker driver in front of me and I can smell his smoke... As I said, if you keep the butts and the smoke to yourself I don't care. When you share it with me by me seeing you toss a butt, or me smelling your smoke from behind you, then I don't like it... I think your car is your car, but you are on public roads. so it's an interesting idea... Personally just make the smokers smoke with their windows up and I'll be happy. What reason would they have to complain about having their window rolled up???

Enjoy smoking more to piss me off... Just more nails in your coffin
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I think your car is your car, but you are on public roads. so it's an interesting idea... Personally just make the smokers smoke with their windows up and I'll be happy.
but the same can be said for loud music, inattentiveness, loud exhaust, hi-beams at night, fat people taking up excessive space in any queue, BO, loud conversation, that guy/girl at the bar with that annoying laugh ......

like i said before, it's a slippery slope. where are we going to draw that line.

smokers are easy to atrget just because they stand out.
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