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Old 09-24-2001, 10:12 PM   #1
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Question Turbo Forester

Anyone have any news about this rumour??? My dealer didn't hear it yet but I've read it somewhere else on the I Club.

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Old 09-25-2001, 12:50 AM   #2
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I heard but I don't know if it's true. The dealers never know anything anyway. I also heard it on this board, but then again you hear a lot of things that might or might not be true. I heard that they are going to be 2.5T's then I hear it will be the 2.0T which is probably more likely, but that might be after the Forester redesign that everyone is talking about. I believe that it's probably going to be the Forester GT that they have overseas which is a 2.0T. As for the bigger redesigned Forester, they are probably going to go with the 6cyl. This is all of the stuff i've heard and they all have no real proof. I don't see why they haven't brought the Forester GT here yet however All I know is that I want turbo already, and if they don't bring that GT over already, I am going to have to go get a WRX wagon which I want to avoid because the front end is not so nice(IMO), and would need to be redone w/aftermaket kits. I like how the Forester looks, I like how it handles even with the ride height being more than usual, it's great it the snow and mud! A WRX wagons front end will be plowing snow all day, and wouldn't look good with the more offroad agressive tires that I prefer. I can only afford one car at the time and I have to choose. Otherwise I would have a Forester AND a WRX(sedan). Oh well, I am happy now with my 99' and I guess I can continue to modify this one.
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Old 09-25-2001, 01:14 AM   #3
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Lift kit on the WRX. It CAN be done
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Old 09-25-2001, 04:20 AM   #4
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Lightbulb redesign date

I asked my dealer about the rumoured redesign and he said next october.
PS.you don't want a european turbo, they only have 177bhp and about 170lbs/ft torque, which is about the same as your 2.5l engine. However, they are easy to get more power from and more economical.
I ordered one last week to replace my GLS (2l normally aspirated)

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Old 09-25-2001, 07:39 AM   #5
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Dunno, toerag, 177/170 is still better than 165/166; but the torque on the 2.5l N/A probably kicks in at lower RPM which better suits most US driving. I'd be content with 190-200 hp out of mine - would make passing and onramp/offramp merging a little less worrisome. Maybe with intake/exhaust mods I can get a little closer.

One thing the GT/S turbo has that I like is the blacked-out mesh grille. I have managed to get hold of one from Australia that I will be swapping in for the toothy chrome on on the US-spec S.

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Old 09-25-2001, 08:32 AM   #6
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Talking It's here!!!

Just had a call from my dealer, the new car is here in the island!!! I collect it on friday, he's got to fit the sidesteps on thursday.
I agree that the 2.5 is probably the better drive with the torque, but the turbo rush makes up for it! Plus Prodrive did have a performance pack on their website for it, although that's disappeared for some reason.
I agree about the grill though (mine gets the mesh as standard). I think the original forester looks a lot more manly then the facelifted version, especially that toothy grille.
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Old 09-25-2001, 11:06 AM   #7
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Actually guys...

I have read that the Turbo Forester has MORE usuable torque than the 2.5 NA version. They use a smaller turbo than the WRX which spools quicker and brings on the boost.

As for all of you here that want a turbo but dont want to give up your beloved Foresters, why not add an aftermarket turbo kit to it the way the RS guys do??? Contact LudeSpeed or JC Sports for more info. Any of the turbo kits offered should bolt right up to the Forester since we have more room under the hood than the RS. Then get yourself a JDM turbo hood (someone here once said they could get them for $450 <ahem>) and you are all set...

Just my $00.02
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Old 09-25-2001, 11:51 AM   #8
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Default Torque on turbos

From my 1/2 hour test drive (that's all it took to convince me! ) I reckon the turbo starts spooling at 1750rpm and stops whistling (is spooled up) at 2500rpm. According to the figures from subaru.co.uk it produces peak torque at lower revs than my car which is normally aspirated.
16 valve cars produce torque at higher revs than 8 valve ones, but more top end power. Hence why turbos are used to fill in for the loss of low-end torque. Turbo'ed bike engines are the ultimate for lightweight sportscars 'cos they're small, light and produce big power. Put one on a bike and the torque will smoke the back wheel at 100mph though!
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Old 09-25-2001, 12:20 PM   #9
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All in due time, fp, all in due time... One of the advantages of the N/A car is that it runs on regular unleaded, which I don't believe the turbo does (at least the new WRX doesn't). In fact my wife and I have talked about me giving her the Forester and buying a WRX wagon for myself ( when she offered that!) but I realize that for where and when I drive it makes more sense for me to have an AT and that just doesn't suit the WRX. Further, I don't think I would ever subject the WRX to the kind of trail running I did with the Forester two weeks ago (see Tri-State forum re Pine Barrens run).

toerag: Your description of the S turbo's torque curve makes me all the more jealous of your UK-spec models. I thought the little "captain's chair" armrests were more useful than the optional center console armrest that we have. Also love the available alcantara - shades of the old SVX.

I saw two Prodrive WR Sport equipped Foresters in the UK when I was there last November - one white, the other black/slate like my own car. I was smitten and with the addition of the GT grille and anthracite P7 wheels, I'll at least get some of the look plus improved handling (flame suit on). I hit 28K miles this morning and have the 30K service scheduled for Friday; after 3/36K I'll start thinking about drivetrain mods. I'm happy with the suspension pretty much as is.

I know nothing of LudeSpeed but know that JCSports has a very bad reputation among i-clubbers. There are others out there with better reputations - RalliSpec was one that was also close by but alas, they are no more.

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Old 09-25-2001, 12:53 PM   #10
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I think they didn't bring the 2.0T models over here because they thought US buyers would be towing a lot. Turbos are not well suited for towing.

I've towed up to 1500 lbs, but I'm the exception, not the rule.

Automotive News reports that a Turbo Forester will appear for 2004, a year after the new Forester launch. My guess is it will be a 2.5LPT, or light pressure turbo, that is tuned to US tastes (low-end torque vs. peak power).

That's cool. It'll be chip-ready, as easy to modify as the 1.8T VW engine. Those go from 150hp to 196hp with a simple chip, imagine what a 200hp or so 2.5T could do.

I imagine 250hp will be an easy $500 mod. I just may have to get another Forester.

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Old 09-25-2001, 05:41 PM   #11
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I would rather see the H-6 and an optional low gearing plus increase the track about 3". I'm not a big fan of Turbos for an every day driver. Just my thoughts.

On another note I hope they put in seperate cup holders on each side of the forester instead of the middle covering up the ventilation and radio controls Just gotta love it when all the controls are wet from the dripping condensation.

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Old 09-26-2001, 08:41 AM   #12
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Talking It's here!!!

Went to the dealer last night to take a look at the beast, it looks great!!! Unfortunately the dealer was closed by the time I got there so I couldn't get inside the car, but everything looks good on the outside. I'll post some pictures next week or on the weekend. Roll on 1000 miles I say!!!!!
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PS. I think the Uk engine is just a light pressure WRX engine as the compression ratio is the same. Which bodes well for the future (even if the speed limit here is 35mph!)
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Old 09-26-2001, 12:18 PM   #13
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Juice: I too tow about 1600 lbs on a regular basis. My 16 foot Sea Ray jet boat is rated at about 1400 lbs. Plus the full tank of gas & the trailer... I just hope it is below 2k lbs.

Luckily, it is only about a 10 mile tow to the water...
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Old 09-26-2001, 12:26 PM   #14
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I doubt we'll see the H6 in the Forester.

Look at sales. In August, Legacy sales were actually down compared to a year ago, before the H6 launch. So they invested more money to get fewer sales.

Then look at the Impreza. They introduce a turbo, and sales are up 200% from last August. The Impreza line has a halo car that brings in customers, even those that buy other models.

It's hard to argue with that. Mainstream buyers do typically prefer 6 cylinder engines, but Subaru is a niche player with non-traditional buyers, so the normal rules don't apply.

That's why I think we'll see an inbetween 2.5T engine. Enough torque to do the job, yet sporty enough to lead the class in acceleration.

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Old 09-26-2001, 01:43 PM   #15
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Thumbs down H6 legacy

The H6 engine looks pretty cool, but the car gets 3 out of 5 stars compared to the usual 2.5 litre engines in the magazines over here. I think it's too expensive and thirsty compared to the competition. The turbo is definately the way to go, but as soon as anything has the word turbo written on the back over here the insurance goes sky high. WRX's are a b*&^%rd to insure without a tracker fitted because they're no longer the wolf in sheeps clothing that they used to be.

Popped into the dealer to sign some documents after work today, they've given the beast a good wash and polish.
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Sorry, went a bit smiley then!!!
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Old 09-26-2001, 02:43 PM   #16
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I'd gladly eat my words... but I don't think we'll ever see an EJ25T in production.

If it does come to the US you'll likely have 2 choices the N/A 2.5L or an EJ20T why would they after all the research redesign and build another motor. The N/A EJ25 was their pride and joy for the US and so is the H6, but they need to start making their H6's fit a manual tranny that is all that is missing. Just my thoughts... I'd beleive something like the ST-X concept supercharge EJ25, before I see them mess with turbo's on an EJ25. Just my thought and the obvious way subaru is going (except in the US) is base model N/A is EJ25, upgraded model is EJ20T. Just something to notice.

I will gladly eat my words if an EJ25T comes out... Especially if they make the kit availble off the shelf... but to run decent boost you'd have to lower the compression on the EJ25 a bit thus making for more development work. Very few companies will ever sell a 10:1 motor with a turbo on it... just silly for reliablity.

Just my $0.02 BTW.

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