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Old 03-01-2006, 11:27 AM   #1
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1329941.shtml

anyone have more info and specs on this car? the body looks like a lotus
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:30 AM   #2
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http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/l...n/13796737.htm

google news rocks... it is based on the K1 attack.

Edit: Oh, and its a hybrid presumably with AWD (200hp front electric motor, VW diesel based biodiesel engine midship)
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:33 AM   #3
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the body looks like that accord-donor kit car.
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:35 AM   #4
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This is actually pretty old. I don't want to WTLW you, but I'm talking like 2 years maybe?

http://www.attack-forums.com

Kids did an AMAZING job (high school we're talkin about here.)

Go here:
http://www.k-1attack.com/

And once into the site, click on "Videos" And they have a clip from NBC (local Philadelphia affliliate) at the top right.

I have been following the progress of that Attack kitcar since before it took shape. Sadly, like all kitcars, it didn't go very smoothly, and while there are a handful of builds going on right now, apparently the company is getting somewhat difficult to deal with. They're trying to build a "manufacturers version" of the attack and certifiy it for public roads in Europe, which, as many of the builders suspect, takes away their time from the people who helped get them started.

The kitcar is based on a honda accord!
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:38 AM   #5
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i wonder how many they could make in a given school year...

they could fund their own auto shop class with the profits.

...i guarantee many people would pay pretty good money for a limited availability eco-friendly sports car.
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:55 AM   #6
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It's so aggrivating to hear the retards out there saying, "We can't do it yet because the technology just isn't there!!!1111"

The main problem with that PARTICULAR car is that they're very hard to come by now because, AFAIK, the mfgr is not selling any more kits. They're tough to legalize, they're tough to register, they're tough to insure, just like most other kit cars out there.

But the proof is in the pudding - I bet it doesn't have air conditioning, I know it doesn't have much in the way of safety, the whole thing is made of fiberglass and a space frame, BUT SO WHAT?! Like you said, I bet if more people knew about this, I could see some big shot millionaire drop $70-100k on this thing to be original and to fund a good cause.

These kids prooved a concept the big automakers have been calling impossible. I'm not an oil conspiracy kind of guy, but c'mon, why on earth would any major manufacturer take the risk? Why invest in the R&D when oil is "plentiful."

Every director at Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, et al. should hang their heads in shame because they just got 0wn3d by a bunch of high school delinquents (I think they're smarter than they give themselves credit for). Those kids did what so many people talk about in the secret back rooms, yet nobody actually went through with it in fear of unleashing a david beast capable of taking on the goliath oil industry.

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Old 03-02-2006, 02:47 AM   #7
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The technology may be there but the real question is whether it is a technology worth using. Just because something is not oil doesn't make it automatically better than oil.

I don't know the specifics of soybean as fuel, but a popular idea nowadays is corn ethanol. It's appealing because it's 'renewable', and 'all-natural'! The fact is, however, it's not really economically or ecologically sound. A Cornell study points out many interesting facts about the concept. Something that is not often considered is the environmental impact of these 'alternative' energy sources: the single greatest factor in the destruction of natural environments worldwide is farming. Replacing fossil fuels with farm-grown fuel would mean a large increase in the amount of land needed for farms. The Cornell study states that "If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States."

What we really need is Mr. Fusion. Solves our energy problems and waste disposal problems at the same time! Only 9 years to go!

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Old 03-02-2006, 07:57 AM   #8
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That Cornell study has been debunked a few times. Still, corn ethanol isn't going to be the best way to create ethanol. Cellulosic ethanol from switchgrass is more promising.
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Old 03-02-2006, 08:43 AM   #9
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I've also heard you can use forestry by products like pulp.
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Old 03-02-2006, 09:46 AM   #10
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Don't forget bioDiesel as another grain derived alternative fuel.

As for having the technology but not using it.. remember that our DOT has safety requirements which have nearly doubled the weight of most cars on the road.. I doubt this kitcar will survive an accident on par with a Carolla.
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What we really need is Mr. Fusion. Solves our energy problems and waste disposal problems at the same time! Only 9 years to go!
Yeah, and we won't need roads either!

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Old 03-02-2006, 10:52 AM   #11
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But another thing I haven't heard of is the suggestion to run a mix of several types of fuels, including traditional petroleum, rather than saying "All new cars will only run on enthanol" - then we're right back at square one with only one source of energy

If 25% of all new cars run on enthanol, 25% run on biodiesel, 25% run on regular gasoline, and 25% on hydrogen, we have a nice mix (that obviously presents its own new issues) so if there were to be a bad harvest year, yes, ethanol and biodiesel prices might go up a bit, but hydrogen and gasoline stay the same. If some plot blows up a hydrogen plant, the other three are stable, etc.

...yadda yadda... all eggs in one basket... yadda yadda

Also, as far as vehicle weight, I don't think the DOT rules have an impact on that whatsoever. Look at the lotus elise or exige- obviously a specific type of car for a specific type of purpose, but perfectly street legal. But it doesn't cater to the popped collar, sweater around the neck, coming back from a tennis match in a 8000lb BMW 7 series with air conditioned gas pedals, DVD screens, 15 airbags, 38lb wheels, sheet metal that doesn't let a decibel of road noise inside, more electronics wizardry than NASA has on the shuttle, etc.

Lighter cars ARE possible under the law, but the consumers won't go for it.

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Old 03-02-2006, 11:24 AM   #12
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Also, as far as vehicle weight, I don't think the DOT rules have an impact on that whatsoever. Look at the lotus elise or exige- obviously a specific type of car for a specific type of purpose, but perfectly street legal.
The Elise and Exige are currently in the US only because Lotus was granted a waiver on the condition that the next model will meet federal safety regulations.

Currently they have no bumpers, no side impact beams and were not crash tested. Obviously, such a waiver is rare.
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:37 PM   #13
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Update and a little new spin on the story on DailyKos:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/8/105134/4316


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I don't understand the outrage by that author. Honda had a series of cars based on the same principle (capacitor discharge for acceleration) several years ago that received mixed responses on the show car circuit. I don't see how the auto industry is trying to hide anything.

My favorite:

FCX Honda Sprocket

Tiny gasoline engine under the hood, and electric motors in the rear wheels with capacitors on either side of the truck bed (yeah, it's a sub-compact truck). FWD normally, but (rapid) AWD acceleration.
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I don't understand the outrage by that author. Honda had a series of cars based on the same principle (capacitor discharge for acceleration) several years ago that received mixed responses on the show car circuit. I don't see how the auto industry is trying to hide anything.

My favorite:

FCX Honda Sprocket

Tiny gasoline engine under the hood, and electric motors in the rear wheels with capacitors on either side of the truck bed (yeah, it's a sub-compact truck). FWD normally, but (rapid) AWD acceleration.
honda is one example of a company that takes steps in the right direction.

what about ford? gm? anyone else?

hell, this has inspired me to get an old bug and put an electric motor/generator in the front end!
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:32 AM   #16
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There was an article published this morning about a company that will be producing a product for people to create biodeisel at home.
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:51 AM   #17
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but if we learned anything from back to the future 3, Mr fusion does not make it go, it only powers the flux capacitor (If the planet is moving through space, and you change time, wouldn't you be floating in space where the earth was at that time? I hate when I start to think about time travel plots.)
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I don't understand the outrage by that author. Honda had a series of cars based on the same principle (capacitor discharge for acceleration) several years ago that received mixed responses on the show car circuit. I don't see how the auto industry is trying to hide anything.

My favorite:

FCX Honda Sprocket

Tiny gasoline engine under the hood, and electric motors in the rear wheels with capacitors on either side of the truck bed (yeah, it's a sub-compact truck). FWD normally, but (rapid) AWD acceleration.
But the FCX Sprocket came out in 1999, right? IIRC I think I remember places where I was able to get gas for LESS than $1 /gallon in NJ.

Like many great ideas that have come before their time (ask Subaru about the SVX...) I think Honda had a brilliant idea, just poor market timing. Of course, that still doesn't explain why Hummer dealerships are expanding in California. Perhaps some folks still have way too much money...
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Don't forget bioDiesel as another grain derived alternative fuel.

As for having the technology but not using it.. remember that our DOT has safety requirements which have nearly doubled the weight of most cars on the road.. I doubt this kitcar will survive an accident on par with a Carolla.
Yeah, and we won't need roads either!


You know the Flux capacitors still have there warrenty.

I almost bought a DMC-12 because I still think there cool.
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