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Old 03-06-2006, 10:12 PM   #1
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Saturn slips into Opel's orbit
From Lutz:
'Saturn will be like Vauxhall
Saturn's future looks a lot like the present-day status of General Motors' British subsidiary, Vauxhall. Vauxhall slaps its badge on cars created by GM's German subsidiary, Adam Opel AG'


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Old 03-06-2006, 10:22 PM   #2
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the sky looks pretty cool
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Old 03-06-2006, 10:32 PM   #3
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About time; I was expecting them to start doing this about five years ago.
Now, can GM support a stateside Opel better than they did some thirty-five years ago?
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Old 03-06-2006, 10:37 PM   #4
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What I dont get about Saturn is that most of the older cars were made to compete with the Japanese cars, they even had the wedge shaped bodies, but they never changed the design fast enough like the Japanese cars.. Also most of the cars did not borrow platforms from the other GM cars. SL1/2 dont share with the Cavalier/Sunfire. It seemed like a money pit for a company to me.
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Old 03-06-2006, 10:57 PM   #5
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Lutz said this a while ago. That is why the Sky is the same as the Vauxhall/Opel GT... and all these other soon to arrive Saturns have exact counterparts over in Europe.

All I can say is: FINALLY! (now when is Ford gonna do the same?)








^^ they haven't made any annoucements about this last car, but I fully expect for it to come here in the next couple of years... I think it's one of the nicest small hatchbacks around.

Over the next couple of years, I really think Saturn will have the hotest-looking lineup of cars. Companies like Nissan and Mazda have been tops in terms of styling for a few years now, but Nissan is really taking a nose-dive recently. I totaly expect Saturn to pick up the batton and run with it.
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Old 03-07-2006, 05:36 AM   #6
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Saturns sales are going to go through the roof. I think its a great move on GMs part. Opels are very nice looking cars and much higher quality then any other GM product.



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Old 03-07-2006, 07:50 AM   #7
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I am hopeful but fear they will not make it here looking like that, especially those wheels. Here's to hoping.

Those GM execs in charge of styling are the most stunted, out of touch group in the industry BAR NONE.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:07 AM   #8
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yay. thats a great idea. but now you need to think about when is gm gonna kill all the imported chasis's becasue there gonna be too expensive for the modern 22-40 y/o to buy, then maybe nix saturn all together.

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Old 03-07-2006, 09:43 AM   #9
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you know its entirely possible the opposite will happen. The people in europe will see that all vaxhals are the same now and wonder.. when are those yanks going to ruin our cars!

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Old 03-07-2006, 09:44 AM   #10
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^^ they haven't made any annoucements about this last car, but I fully expect for it to come here in the next couple of years... I think it's one of the nicest small hatchbacks around.
The Coming of the Saturn Astra was annouced yesterday as well.
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:45 AM   #11
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I owned a Saturn and loved it. I don't know why all cars aren't made with plastic body panels, they are the best thing ever! I hope saturn comes out with some interesting new body styles.
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Old 03-07-2006, 10:21 AM   #12
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I have been waiting for this "official" announcement forever! I was crossing my fingers for a US release of the Aura/Astra, and now that its official, I'm like

These make me hot....





(so does the Sky, but those two would be more realistic purchases for me).

I also used to have a Saturn, an SL2. It was a good car, but in the last 5-8 years, Saturn has seriously gone downhill.

Hooray to GM for importing the Opel line! If its priced right, and they keep those looks, then they have a sure fire winner on their hands!
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Old 03-07-2006, 10:48 AM   #13
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Opels are very nice looking cars and much higher quality then any other GM product.
Like this Opel:


Oh wait, that was one of the most horribly unreliable cars sold under the Cadillac badge after everybody said it was a better car because it's really an Opel.

While I'm sure they've improved.. and I have to agree that nearly anything is higher quality than GM.. I take issue with the use of the word "much" in your statement.


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Old 03-07-2006, 12:20 PM   #14
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Supposedly, in MY07 or MY08, the car above will arrive first w/250HP V6 fwd, and 6spd manual. Rumor has it (and I do mean strictly rumor), that a redline possibility would follow (ala the Sky), packing 280-300HP, and AWD. Again, rumor being the key word.

Would be nice if it turns out to be fact.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:32 PM   #15
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AutoWeek | Published 03/07/06, 8:53 am et

GENEVA -- Saturn's future looks a lot like the present-day status of General Motors' British subsidiary, Vauxhall.

Vauxhall slaps its badge on cars created by GM's German subsidiary, Adam Opel AG. That's what Saturn will do, at least in the heart of its car lineup, GM executives said in interviews at the Geneva auto show.

The move is meant to bring European design flair and sporty handling to Saturn. But it's also a sign of GM's move to strip regional and brand executives of authority to modify global decisions in engineering, design and manufacturing.

Saturns still will be built in North America, not Europe. GM executives aren't talking about importing and rebadging vehicles produced at Opel plants overseas, but rather making the identical cars in the United States.

But brand bosses would lose some control. Robert Lutz, GM vice chairman and head of global product development, said that in much of its lineup, "Saturn will be like Vauxhall."

He added: "Now Opel cars will be done for three brands instead of two."

Not 100%

The changes will play out in the heart of the car lineup, with the next Saturn Ion subcompact likely to be a rebadged Opel Astra. Carl-Peter Forster, president of General Motors Europe, said the 2007 Saturn Aura, which replaces the defunct L series mid-sized car in Saturn's lineup, is "clearly Opel-inspired."

The Aura shares the Epsilon mid-sized car platform with the Opel Vectra. GM Europe's design studio in Ruesselsheim, Germany, influenced the styling.

But GM CEO Rick Wagoner said the Opelization of Saturn is not total. The Saturn lineup also will include vehicles exclusive to North America, he said.

One example is the coming Saturn Outlook crossover, built on the Lambda architecture in Lansing, Mich.

Vauxhall derivative

When working with Opel, Saturn officials will participate in initial product planning, Lutz said. But they won't be able to dictate changes.

"Saturn would be involved early on, but I would say they're definitely the junior partner in the relationship," Lutz said.

"The Opel product is good. Does Saturn wish they had an Opel Astra (compact car) instead of a Saturn Ion?"

You bet, Lutz contends.

Lajdziak: 'We feel very good'

Jill Lajdziak, general manager of the Saturn brand, said Saturn and Opel will work together as partners and will make sure products will work in both regions.

"Obviously we feel very good about our relationship with Opel," Lajdziak said. "It's a good example of leveraging GM's global capabilities."

As for replacing the Ion with Opel's Astra, Lajdziak said that Saturn is looking at several alternatives for the Ion, but she declined to discuss those options.

No to regionalism

Lutz clearly has little patience for what he called "the ugly head of regionalism" that results in changes to vehicle designs coming in from another region.

He cited U.S. engineers' decision to soften the ride of the Opel Astra when creating two platform mates, the U.S.-built Pontiac G6 and Chevrolet Malibu. The result, Lutz said, was additional work and inferior vehicle handling.

"Part of it is job protection; part of it is the old regionalism coming through that 'we have our own standards in the United States, and we're not going to pick up what the Europeans do,' " Lutz said.

"We are going to be watching this like a hawk. Nothing gets changed unless it absolutely has to."

The benefit, Lutz said, is in cutting component costs and product development costs. If it can enforce its plan, GM can save as much as 40 percent on engineering costs of new vehicles.

Said Lutz: "This is the advantage of it being my budget and not a regional budget."
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I truly believe Saturn will start to shine when these puppies show up.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:59 PM   #17
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:29 PM   #18
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I think this is a great idea. I went to Germany for a few weeks in 2001 and the Opel Corsa (1.0L) had a great interior - nice materials etc. At the time, I was wondering why GM can't do the same here. The cobalt I rented a few months ago actually seemed to have the same plastics and similar stuff so hopefully their small car products here will continue to improve.
I've also read recently some GM exec admitted that maybe Opel engineers do know better. Apparently the suspension for the Pontiac G6 and Malibu(?) was softened when they brought the opel platform here, and that's been one of the problem areas for that car in the US market - suspension is too soft.
So hopefully they'll bring things over with very very few changes.
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Old 03-07-2006, 04:48 PM   #19
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Saturns sales are going to go through the roof. I think its a great move on GMs part. Opels are very nice looking cars and much higher quality then any other GM product.

~Leor
Agreed.

And even if sales don't take off, the savings from economies of scale will be enormous.
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Old 03-07-2006, 05:14 PM   #20
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I owned a Saturn and loved it. I don't know why all cars aren't made with plastic body panels, they are the best thing ever! I hope saturn comes out with some interesting new body styles.

These new cars prolly won't have the plastic panels, b/c the gaps they need for thermal expansion are huge (fugly and look cheap) and generate wind noise (Saturns are LOUD).

I would like to direct everyone's attention to the fact that Saturn has yet to make a single dollar of profit for GM. What a joke.

This platform-sharing is just more badge engineering, and won't fly with the folks who dig on Saturn as a "home-grown, made in the USA" brand.
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:17 PM   #21
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Like this Opel:


Oh wait, that was one of the most horribly unreliable cars sold under the Cadillac badge after everybody said it was a better car because it's really an Opel.

While I'm sure they've improved.. and I have to agree that nearly anything is higher quality than GM.. I take issue with the use of the word "much" in your statement.


touche, but opel has improved a lot.

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Old 03-07-2006, 07:54 PM   #22
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The Coming of the Saturn Astra was annouced yesterday as well.
Cool - I was hoping they would announce that, but figured they wouldn't do it until after the SKY was already here.

Give the Aura and Astra AWD in the redline edisition and I would give them a SERIOUS look.
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:45 PM   #23
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wow you guys are quick.... I keed I keed
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maybe they will price by the pound and let us get a Saturn Speedster for like, $16k
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