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Old 03-10-2006, 06:43 PM   #1
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Question Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 vs. Good Year Eagle F1 GS D3

I am between these two tires in a 235/40/17 for my '02 WRX. (I was also considering the Falken Azenis RT-615, but heard they were awful in rain with the huge tread blocks.) Anyway, these would be my dedicated summer street tires in WI for about 70% of my driving. (I have a seperate set for winter and another for the track.)

I realize that the GS D3's seem to shine in the wet, but we do not get a ton of rain here. I am wondering if the GS D3's would be worth the extra money or if the Hankook's would be the better option considering costs. I talked to a dealer that carries both and he recommended the Hankook's over the Good Year's without considering pricing. Any opinions would be appreciated, but if someone had experience with both, that would be even better.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:06 PM   #2
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Pete.....for the $$$, the Z212's are hard to beat....they outgrip the GS D3's dry, but not wet.
the Falken 451 is 'in between' these 2, overall and as fas as treadwear is concerned, longest to least....451--GS D3--Z212

I liked the Kumho MX's, too.....very predictible....NO squeal....light.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:53 PM   #3
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I went with Goodyears because they are a safe tire. I will sacrafice a few tenths in the AutoX to have a great wet tire and one that actually handles braking in a straight line panic stop.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....ticle_id=10252

The Car and Driver max performance shootout compared both. Here are some numbers not in the online article but were in the magazine.

Dry performance Testing:
Braking 50-0 mph, feet:

Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 69.1
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 73.4
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD 74.7
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 76.6
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 77.9
Kumho Ecsta MX 78.1
Pirelli P Zero Rosso Asimmetrico 78.3
Toyo Proxes T1R 78.4
Continental ContiSportContact 2 78.5
Dunlop SP Sport Maxx 78.5
Hankook Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 80.6
Autocross, seconds:
Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 29.66
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD 29.76
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 29.86
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 29.92
Pirelli P Zero Rosso Asimmetrico 30.03
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 30.05
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 30.10
Dunlop SP Sport Maxx 30.16
Kumho Ecsta MX 30.28
Continental ContiSportContact 2 30.30
Toyo Proxes T1R 30.67
Skidpad, g:
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD .95
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 .94
Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 .94
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 .94
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A .93
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 .93
Continental ContiSportContact 2 .92
Dunlop SP Sport Maxx .92
Kumho Ecsta MX .92
Pirelli P Zero Rosso Asimmetrico .92
Toyo Proxes T1R .88
Dry Performance Score:
Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 298.9
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD 291.7
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 290.7
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 286.8
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 283.7
Pirelli P Zero Rosso Asimmetrico 282.3
Kumho Ecsta MX 281.8
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 281.5
Dunlop SP Sport Maxx 281.5
Continental ContiSportContact 2 281.1
Toyo Proxes T1R 275.8

Fifth Place
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212

The Hankook has one feature the other tires can't match—a $99 price. And to its credit, the Hankook didn't behave like the cheapest tire, particularly when the track was dry. It tied the $175 Yokohama and $145 Goodyear for second place in lateral grip, scoring 0.94 g. And although its dry-braking results landed it in last place, that shortcoming did not greatly affect the Hankook's dry-autocross showing—a 29.86-second average, a third-place result that was only 0.20 second away from the winning effort.

It became apparent that the Hankook was clearly tuned for dry running as its wet-track results were below average. Like the other poor runners in water, the Hankook felt greasy and was slow to recover once it broke traction. But in the dry, the Korean tire felt just as responsive and sticky as its more-expensive competition.

The thing is, though, the harder you drive, the more tread you'll burn off a tire. So if you're a track-day addict who doesn't mind sacrificing some wet-weather capabilities, the Hankook is a choice that will save you money without losing much performance.


First Place
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3

As an all-around high-performance tire, you can't beat this Goodyear. It was the best performer in all three wet-track tests and was very competent in the dry. It generated 0.94 g on the dry skidpad, only 0.01 g off the first-place BFGoodrich and tied with the Yokohama and Hankook.

The Goodyear gripped so well that you might not have been certain the road was wet, and it lost traction in a gentle, predictable manner. It held onto the wet track with 0.82 g of stick, an impressive figure considering the worst tire in that test made only 0.67 g.

The Eagle F1 got a lot of favorable comments. In the wet, Geswein called it "direct"—a way of saying the tire provided clear signals about its contact with the pavement.

There were tires that performed better in the dry, but the Eagle wasn't far off. It was a little less precise than the BFG and Yokohama on a dry track, but not by much. And like the Continental, the Goodyear had a high 280 tread-wear grade. At $145 each, it's $34 cheaper than the most expensive tire here.

One thing to keep in mind about the imprints we carefully obtained is that a tire's contact patch changes dramatically as it is loaded, so these prints are not accurate representations of the amount of rubber that each tire puts on the road while cornering or braking.
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Old 03-10-2006, 08:58 PM   #4
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I went with Goodyears because they are a safe tire. .....blah....blah....blah.

...and they used 'stock' inflation pressures and a rear drive car....THAT makes the results, to me, irrelevant.

....that and they don't sell the Hankooks and didn't test the 451's.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:32 PM   #5
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I've met a few drivers who've driven the Hankooks on the tracks and indicated that sidewalls were too soft. If you don't track your car, no big deal, in fact the soft sidewalls make for a smoother ride.

If you're looking for a stiff sidewall tire for your 2002, you can shop for the second hand stock tires on the STI, Potenza RE070s, on Ebay with 3,000 miles on them for around $100/tire. Great performance for the price.

I also had the Micheline PS2s, nice grip both wet and dry but the sidewall is too soft for the track.

I'm waiting for the Falkens 615s coming out in the 235/17 size.
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Old 03-10-2006, 11:27 PM   #6
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I was also considering these two tires but I have little interest in autocross and more in drag performance. If it is true that the hancooks have a softer sidewall than the eagles this shuld help decrease wheel hop under hard acceleration off the line. The eagles have high marks for ride and noise. Is it safe to say the hancooks perform as well in this area or better?

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Old 03-11-2006, 12:41 AM   #7
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I've met a few drivers who've driven the Hankooks on the tracks and indicated that sidewalls were too soft. If you don't track your car, no big deal, in fact the soft sidewalls make for a smoother ride.

If you're looking for a stiff sidewall tire for your 2002, you can shop for the second hand stock tires on the STI, Potenza RE070s, on Ebay with 3,000 miles on them for around $100/tire. Great performance for the price.

I also had the Micheline PS2s, nice grip both wet and dry but the sidewall is too soft for the track.

I'm waiting for the Falkens 615s coming out in the 235/17 size.

Please read my post a little more carefully as I already have a different set of tires for the track.
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:04 AM   #8
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Please read my post a little more carefully as I already have a different set of tires for the track.
DING DING DING

You can track these and track them well. However for the all around street tire they are the safest tire on the market. Desipite the reputation of "Name removed", I trust the engineers much more than some internet racer.

The Goodyears stop better in the dry, perform better in the wet where it counts, and provide enough lateral G to make your eyes bleed with no noise what so over. No ammount of fan boy bench racing and added PSI will make a tire control and stop better in the wet, where it really counts for a street tire.
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:13 AM   #9
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Those Goodyears (cuss word on Nasioc?) are great where deer tend to run freely, like during night drives in the appalachians. Incredible stopping power. Since I have a pretty responsive stg 3+ setup, instant emergency stopping power (wet and dry) is very important to me.

What works best for me is WS-50's on stock wheels and the F1's on 17" Prodrives. I don't do commuting like most Nasioc members. Little of my driving is "steady state." Most of it is for fun or missions under different conditions.

In this area 100 miles horizontal were compressed into 1 mile. The "hills" used to be higher than Mt. Everest, I was told in Geology class. Then the weathering came. Now there are some interesting roads to drive on. Hence my choice of tires.

Like everything in life, it all depends. If you live below sea level in Florida you will probably need some other kind of tire.
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:43 AM   #10
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Thanks for the good info. I live in Wisconsin so plenty of hills, but no mountains. Of those of you who have the Goodyear's, how long have you had them and how do they compare to other summer tires you have tried? Has anyone driven on the Hankook's yet?
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Old 03-11-2006, 07:08 PM   #11
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I am on my second set of goodyears, and before that S03's, and before that 1/2 way through Kuhmo 712's (came with the Prodrive option) before I ditched them for the S03's.
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Like everything in life, it all depends. If you live below sea level in Florida you will probably need some other kind of tire.
...florida is NOT below sea level .....and tires that handle torrential sub-tropical downpours durring our frequent summer thunderstorms are a real good idea, here.
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Sorry about that. I realized that it's still an average 30 ft above sea level, and will probably stay that way for long while.

I was down in Miami in the summer once for a week at Doral, and it rained in the afternoon every day, like clockwork. Then the sun would come out. So, yeah, wet/dry performance is good, and a little anti-hydroplaning design adds a little more safety.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:20 AM   #14
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I would go with the Kooks over teh Goodyears. Besides, good rain performance is a factor of your drivign ability as well. If you don't know how to drive a good rain tire isn't going to do much better than a bad one. We had horrible thunderstorms here all day yesterday; lots of standing water on the highways. I was dirivng around in my half worn RT615's (255's) and while they did hydroplane a couple times, were perfectly fine.
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