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Old 03-12-2006, 12:44 PM   #1
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Default Consumer Reports says Potenza RE92's are "performance tires"

I searched to see if this had been posted, didn't see it. My apologies if I missed it.
I just found this kinda funny;

Sticker shock
Replacement tires can be costly

PRICEY New cars often come with performance tires like this Bridgestone Potenza. They cost more and wear
out faster than standard tires.
Tire-industry professionals have a new name for some customers: accidental performance buyers. Wide, low-profile performance tires are increasingly common as original equipment on new cars. That can lead to sticker shock when it’s time to buy new tires. And that time can come sooner than buyers expect: Besides being more expensive, performance tires, which include many run-flat tires, often don’t last as long as regular tires.

“It’s where the industry is heading,” says Phil Romba, a spokesman for the tire maker Michelin, which works with carmakers for up to two years to match a tire to a new model. “Carmakers are using tires to make the cars perform better.” Performance tires can yield better handling and grip.

But consumers are often unaware that they’re buying a car with performance tires. “Drivers really have no idea,” Romba says. A new Scion tC sports coupe, for example, carries a sticker price of $16,740, which appeals to budget-minded buyers, but the tC we tested came equipped with Bridgestone Potenza RE92 P215/45ZR17 performance tires. On the Web site of Tire Rack, a retailer, they cost $170 each.

Z-rated tires such as those Potenzas are designed to perform at speeds of 150 mph or more--speeds the Scion can’t attain. Passenger tires without such high-speed capability often carry warranties of 40,000 to 100,000 miles. Many performance tires, including the Z-rated Potenzas, carry no such mileage warranty. “That’s a pretty good clue they’re not going to last more than 40,000 miles,” says John Rastetter, a Tire Rack spokesman.

It’s not just sporty-car drivers who need to be aware of replacement costs. The Toyota Camry XLE V6 sedan we tested in 2002 rides on Bridgestone Potenza RE92 215/60R16 performance tires that cost $112 to replace and have no tread-wear warranty. But the four-cylinder 2005 Toyota Camry LE we bought has regular all-season tires, Continental TouringContact AS 205/65R15, that sell for $51 and have an 80,000-mile warranty.


Not that the RE92's are horrible or anything, I think they're a perfectly decent average tire, but the article makes it sound like they're some kind of "Ultra high performance summer tire" (in TireRack parlance, lol).
Mebbe it's my AutoCrossing and track experience, but I sorta consider tires a "wear item", so when they state that their Camry needed 16-inch RE92's (again the Potenzas- are they being singled out?), CR seems aghast that they cost all of $112 a tire!
Bah. I think if you want tires to last 80,000 miles and cost $50 a tire, you're probably not driving a performance car.

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Old 03-12-2006, 12:47 PM   #2
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Consumer Reports thinks manufacturers are equipping vehicles with RE92s to make the cars feel more sporty. I think manufacturers are equipping vehicles with RE92s to get an extra MPG or two.
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Old 03-12-2006, 12:52 PM   #3
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Potenzas are designed to perform at speeds of 150 mph or more--speeds the Scion can’t attain
i dunno why but that just makes me laugh
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Old 03-12-2006, 12:58 PM   #4
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Maybe because they suck in the winter?


Nah...


...they suck at everything.

I think both you and consumer reports give the RE92 tire far too much credit. I've ridden on plenty of $50 econo tires and I must say that the RE92 is probably "THE" worst tire I've ever driven on. They also come stock on the Honda Insight. Insight owners are able to break the tires free easily with all of a whopping 160ish hp and like 120ft. lbs of torque.

The tires have put me in sketchy situations in inclement conditions and they have 25k on them.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:19 PM   #5
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...the article makes it sound like they're some kind of "Ultra high performance summer tire" (in TireRack parlance, lol).
Probably because that's how they are priced.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:24 PM   #6
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wow....thats kinda funny
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:24 PM   #7
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http://www.subarureview.com/tire.php <--- has them rated at a 2.1 by your typical subaru owner. Even If you go to the user rating for the RE92 tires at Tirerack.com they suck---> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....l=Potenza+RE92 hahaha read the third review!!! That's a lot of Re92's on the road if you think about it though... good thing they are expensive... I guess...
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:27 PM   #8
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RE92s are a pretty good performance tire compromise. I would say they are a performance tire, but in an entry level kind of way. They handle better than most tires you would get on a car of similar size and weight with less of a performance orientation.

They provide better than average handling in the summer, and unless there is actually a layer of ice or snow on the road they are not the worse tire to have in the winter: they handle cold and wet well, but when it gets slippery they suck.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:35 PM   #9
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=HPAS out of 36 million people... what's wrong with the Re950 why can't we have those stock... lol j/k
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:53 PM   #10
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They had to mistake this for the RE70's. Thier figures, cars and verbage don't add up.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:58 PM   #11
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=HPAS out of 36 million people... what's wrong with the Re950 why can't we have those stock... lol j/k

For lazy people..


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Old 03-12-2006, 02:01 PM   #12
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re92's suck... i plan on getting some azenis to replace them
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:14 PM   #13
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RE92s are a pretty good performance tire compromise. I would say they are a performance tire, but in an entry level kind of way. They handle better than most tires you would get on a car of similar size and weight with less of a performance orientation.

They provide better than average handling in the summer, and unless there is actually a layer of ice or snow on the road they are not the worse tire to have in the winter: they handle cold and wet well, but when it gets slippery they suck.
100% correct. They get such a bad rap on here... its like people love repeating what other people say, just because it sounds cool to be above the tire that came with your car.

guys... listen closely.

the re92's are performance all season tires. They come in V-rated and Z rated editions which are for higher performance cars like imprezas, and H or lower rated editions for lower performance cars like camrys. Even the RE92s in the Camrys are "performance tires." Most tires like the continental touring tires- are not performance tires at all.

Lets put it in simple terms. There are degrees of performance in tires. Lets say the average goodyear tire that comes on a toyota corolla is a 3. The H rated re-92s are about a 5. The V rated re-92s are about a 6. The highest performance all season tires, (Michele pilot sport, pirelli p-zeros etc) are right at 7 or 8, and then you get into true high performance summer tires.

When someone says that the re92 is a high performance all season tire... they are absolutely right. Are there higher performance ones out there? Yes, many. Are there lower performance ones out there as well? More than you could count.


Now, I hate my re-92s, and put on my re011 summer tires as soon as I can, but I would guarantee that if you put run of the mill H rated or even worse, S and T rated tires on my car, they would be much much worse.

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Old 03-12-2006, 02:14 PM   #14
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lmao.. they are suck for being all season tires, much less anything "performance"....

I don't recall where, maybe tirerack, but they are consistently rated in the bottom few of the all season category... hardly performance, more like... garbage.

Depends on what you consider "performance"
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:17 PM   #15
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just look at all the reviews on tirerack.. that about says it all. What's ****ed up is they are original equipment on so many cars so ma and pa out there driving in the rain are sliding off the road everywhere... even if they are $200 or whatever htey are probably selling them to car mfrs for like $.50 a piece... its kind of an outrage if you think about it...
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:20 PM   #16
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Bah. I think if you want tires to last 80,000 miles and cost $50 a tire, you're probably not driving a performance car.

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Which is the problem. Half of the people buying WRXs don't want performance cars. They just know it's a nice, AWD car.
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:26 PM   #17
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My problem with the RE92's is that I don't feel they do ANYTHING well.

-expensive
-don't last very long
-don't offer good dry traction
-don't offer good wet traction
-don't offer good ice/snow traction

These are just my opinions, but I'm now more inclined to leave my dedicated winter tires on the wagon than put the RE92's back in their place. They inspire more confidence in the rain, and whlie they have tread squirm up to wazoo, they're predictable and easy to drive.

I think the biggest complaint I have against the RE92 is that, above all, they're not cheap, and if you're going to spend $152 /tire, why not go with something that does at least SOMETHING good?? I'd rather have a tire that sucks in the dry but offers superior wet performance, or vice versa, or does well in the winter but sucks in the summer.

I just think most arguments against why the RE92s are so terrible is because (IMO) for the money, you can do better in every regard.
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Which is the problem. Half of the people buying WRXs don't want performance cars. They just know it's a nice, AWD car.

What? you think half the people buying WRX's don't want performance cars?
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just look at all the reviews on tirerack.. that about says it all. What's ****ed up is they are original equipment on so many cars so ma and pa out there driving in the rain are sliding off the road everywhere... even if they are $200 or whatever htey are probably selling them to car mfrs for like $.50 a piece... its kind of an outrage if you think about it...
Unloading dangerous tires on unsuspecting consumers. If someone were to break that as a story in the right way, it would be devastating for Bridgestone.
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Not that I really loved my RE-92's, but they really weren't that bad a tire. They lasted me a long time.

Now, are they a sporty tire? No.
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Unloading dangerous tires on unsuspecting consumers. If someone were to break that as a story in the right way, it would be devastating for Bridgestone.


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They forgot to add the fact that better gripping tires also improve braking tremendously and on high speed roads such as all of those found in America, it is a VERY good idea to have grippy tires. There should be an insurance discount for owning them, honestly.
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They are great in dirt or gravel
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Yeah, the whole article left me snickering.
Again, I don't think the RE92's are half as bad as most nasioc'ers -Hell, those RE92's were really pretty good RallyX tires for myself for a coupla years (before the newest set of rules) - but it's a very average "all season performance tire". Is that a big deal in and of itself? No... not until you look at how much they charge for them!


I wonder how many people choose these as replacement tires?!? I mean, we were all stuck w/ them as OEM std equipment, but do you suppose anybody is actually choosing these tires over others?!?
Scary thought, isn't it?

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... not until you look at how much they charge for them!

I wonder how many people choose these as replacement tires?!? I mean, we were all stuck w/ them as OEM std equipment, but do you suppose anybody is actually choosing these tires over others?!?
Scary thought, isn't it?

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I'm sure that since they *are* OEM tires, many, many people are replacing them with the same model. Just think about your average car owner that knows nothing about cars or tires. They just want "what came with the car" on it as replacements when the original tires wear out.

So, tire suppliers charge an arm and a leg for them knowing that so many people will buy them just to have the same tire their cars came with.

Oh, and yes, they are all season tires, but not very good ones. Tires like Falken Ziex 512's or Toyo Proxes 4's are much better, and cheaper to boot.
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