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Old 03-12-2006, 08:59 PM   #1
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Default Thinking about selling my GTI for a WRX. Any ex-VW owners?

So, I've got my 2003 20th AE GTI..6-speed, 1.8t, Recaro's..body kit, 18's...etc etc. But I really want 4-doors lately. And WRX's are faster then my car, they aren't wrong wheel drive, and they look okay. Not quite the soul of a VW but whatevaaaa

i LOVE my car. i LOVE the interior, i love how it looks, i love that it's rare..but i dunno. i want 4-doors and more space and something different. i really want a white WRX sedan. or a passat

so i hope there are some ex-VW mk4 owners on here who can give me advice...cause i dont know if i'm going to hate a wrx long term in comparison to my gti. what kind of milage are you guys getting with 5-speed WRXs? Are they reliable? Any big issues with the early (2002) models?

let me know..thanks a lot. sorry for being a total subaru noob. but dont worry, i'm not a forum noob, so i know to search and whatnot

here's my gti by the way!

ps - can a 18 x 8 wheel with a 38 offset work on a wrx? obviously in 5x100
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:01 PM   #2
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sold my 02' jetta 1.8t for my STI............. hahahah hahaha hahaha hahaha hahahah hahhaha best trade ever in my life!
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:03 PM   #3
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I've been drooling over the new GTI
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:04 PM   #4
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sold my 02' jetta 1.8t for my STI............. hahahah hahaha hahaha hahaha hahahah hahhaha best trade ever in my life!
well mine wouldn't be an STI..
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:04 PM   #5
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Oh, and no way the wheel will fit, the offset is not even close.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:12 PM   #6
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I've owned 2 mk4's, one being a 20thAE GTI and I can tell you you'll never look back. My 06 WRX is a much better drivers car. Better handling, better chassis inmo, more tuneable engine and best of all it fits 4 and still has a trunk. Subaru's are reliable, relativly cheap to maintain and they're very tuneable. If you can get over the interior downgrade then go for the Subaru...you won't regret it
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:14 PM   #7
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Why not get a Passat 4Motion instead if you love the interior so much ...
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:16 PM   #8
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I also had an '02 1.8T Jetta (and a regular of vwvortex.com) before I traded up to an '04 WRX (and now own an '06 STi ). I really did like my Jetta, but it (or a GTI, modded or not) does not compare with the WRX on a performance and handling level. I really did think the Jetta's interior illumination was well done. I loved the blue gauges and the red illumination for the radio, console, and switches!

Then again, the red gauges in my STi are great too, especially since I'm adding some matching Defi BF boost, EGT, and oil pressure gauges in the next week!
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:19 PM   #9
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i forsee this getting to be a multi-page thread.....
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:19 PM   #10
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nice..i got some real feedback! haha yay

so about the interior..will i hate the wrx's interior? remember, i'll probably end up with an '02-'04 max..just because of money concerns..and definitely not an STI. do regular wrx's come with the gauges? how is the quality? worse then VW? everyone always makes VW's sound ungodly as far as interiors are concerned..but who knows.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:20 PM   #11
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I had an 03 GTi 1.8t 5spd... I liked it it was fun... but hell my STi blows its doors off, of course the GTi stayed stock, but STi is def not stock lol

and since you said youd end up with an 02-04, get a late bugeye, jdm HIDs and do whatever you want with the interior, theres many options for change, i do understand your liking of the vw interior it was nice. just take a look at what others have done here and im sure youll see the ends of the spectrum. the interior isnt bad but it is plain, but it can be changed...
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:21 PM   #12
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OHnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo. Make it stop.

Just buy the wrx. That is the conclusion you will reach after 30 pages into this thread.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:25 PM   #13
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Get the Rex.

Not too sure how many times you've had to get your VW serviced, but I remember the costs associated with my old Passat being very high.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:26 PM   #14
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OHnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo. Make it stop.

Just buy the wrx. That is the conclusion you will reach after 30 pages into this thread.
Exactly.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:26 PM   #15
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DUDE get the new gti!!!!
the 06 wrx is waay faster though. i test drove the mkV, that thing is slow but has dsg and great interior although its wrong wheel drive.
if I had never owned and AWD car i would buy the new gti. but now that i love AWD im not going back to wrong wheel drive.
but if you are not interested on the new gti then sell that gti! its a big upgrade from the 1.8T to a 2.5 T i used to have that gti, that thing is slow, i hated that my car spent more time at the repair shops than on the st. vw are slowwwwwww and unreliable and very heavy! you'll get same MPG
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:28 PM   #16
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Get the Rex.

Not too sure how many times you've had to get your VW serviced, but I remember the costs associated with my old Passat being very high.
my car's never even been to the dealer with 29k miles

absolutely flawless


PS - i REALLY dont want this to become some huge debate. i just want a fair conversation about the upsides and downsides of each car
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:28 PM   #17
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DUDE get the new gti!!!!
the 06 wrx is waay fater thought. i test drove the mkV, that thing is slow but has dsg and great interior although it wrong wheel drive.
if I had never owned and AWD car i would buy the new gti. but now that i love AWD im not going back to wrong wheel drive.
but if you are not interested on the new gti then sell that gti! its a big upgrade from the 1.8T to a 2.5 T i used to have that gti, that thing is slow, i hated that my car spent more time at the repair shops than on the st. vw are slowwwwwww and unreliable and very heavy!
did you even read my thread?
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:32 PM   #18
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I just ran across a kid like 2 days ago at an auto lot that had a GTi that is saying the exact same things you are about the interior, looks, etc but he wanted to buy my WRX from me. I have an old beater Jetta just because they are so much fun.

If the GLi had AWD I would probably be in one, or any VW that had AWD that wasnt a $34k R32. I'd trade up just for the fact of 4 doors (the room it gives you is so conveniant) and the AWD.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:32 PM   #19
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my car's never even been to the dealer with 29k miles

absolutely flawless


PS - i REALLY dont want this to become some huge debate. i just want a fair conversation about the upsides and downsides of each car
Gotcha!


If you like the plush interiors that VW's come with, I'd say stay with what you have. Although Subaru has come a long way in the interior department, there's nothing like the ergonomics of a nicely equipped VW.

Subaru's have always seemed a bit more raw to me. That's the way I like my cars though...
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:33 PM   #20
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did you even read my thread?
you don;t make any sense! all i said is about your thread. get rid of the slow, unreliable, slow, heavy an slow gti and buy the wrx. you are going to get a lot of looks on the st.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:43 PM   #21
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7 VW and Audi's from 73 Thing, Rabbit GTI, Passat, 2.0 16V GTI, VR6 Corrado, A4 1.8T, S4. They all broke all the time. Last 4 cars 02 WRX stg 2, 03 Outback, 05 STi, 05 Outback. None of them have ever broken. No trim peices, no mechanical failures, inexpensive service. Went from weekly trips to the dealer to NO trips ever. It's very nice. Also the Subarus are very fast and tons of aftermarket support. If you do manage to break it though, the warranty is very rarely honored without a fight. Don't buy an 02. If it was beat on you could end up with transmission problems. The newer the better off you are with the Trans. They have continually made improvements to it.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:44 PM   #22
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dood, i went from a 337 to an sti. i decided to dump the vw after it started having major mechanical problems. they were small until the car hit 40K miles (you know, the standard coil recall, window regulator recall, stereo failed, etc.) and then the clutch/master/slave cylinder died on me. i liked the 337 wheels, seats, body kit, interior, etc., but reliability and handling are always downers on the 337.

i even thought about the newer gtis because the look so nice and have fantastic interiors, but the thought of owning another POS from vw is more than i'm willing to risk, especially in the first year of production. look at the stats: vw is (i think) the least reliable auto manufacturer around. in my book, that's pitiful.

the scoobies are definitely a step down in the interior, but better in most other areas. if you want a reliable fun car and big aftermarket support, i recommend the wrx.

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my car's never even been to the dealer with 29k miles

absolutely flawless


PS - i REALLY dont want this to become some huge debate. i just want a fair conversation about the upsides and downsides of each car
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i have an 02 wrx never had a problem cept had to change the oil and my windsheild cracked. I almost got a jetta but i got the wrx best decision ever. pm me what price range your looking for. im concidering going sti
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:46 PM   #25
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I'm from the VAG camp. There are some observiations I'd like to make:

1) It is hard to comprehend these complaints from people who supposedly owned so many VAG products and continuously had problems with them. I shouldn't have to tell you, but you are aware the new models are completely new, including fabrication processes and locations. Statistically speaking there is simply not enough data yet to infer that VAG products continue unreliable with the new models. The one single thing VW ought to improve though is their dealership service.


The 2001.5 Passat 1.8T Tip you see below was my first car (college car), it was chipped (both GIAC flash and Tip chip), 60k miles, and never a single problem (apart from the odd bulbs burning out). Mind you, I got this car the week this body style was launched, so I was an early adopter.



2) My graduate school car was slightly "sportier." It was a GTI 1.8T 5 speed . It was also heavily modified (OEM Hids, springs, Milltek turbo back, APR flashed, sways and what not). I never had a single issue with the car, and it was an enjoyable lease.



3) After leasing these two cars, I was waiting for the A3 to be released with Quattro. The new 2.0T , with DSG , combined with Quattro would've been a tremendous system. Unfortunately, VAG only brought the 3.2 DSG with Quattro, costing way too much. Given this situation, I opted for Subaru as I've always had a fetish for the wagon. Unfortunately, having test driven the WRX from 03 and 04s, I was very discouraged given the extreme downgrade in interior and ergonomics. If you just get a turbo back and a K04 kit, you won't think that a pre 06 WRX is that much... even with a Stage II.

Regardless, I still had Subaru in mind, and once I test drove the 06 model, I was sold. It's interior, driveability (major point), and performance was such a tremendous improvement over previous models that I commited myself to the sports wagon below:



However, the car, straight out of factory was still sub par for my taste. I had the dealer at the time (Classic Subaru - Orlando) put a dual tone interior for me (no limited ed wagons available then...), and I promptly upgraded the stereo components and navigation (Eclipse).



After these changes, i was satisfied. Still, here are some points I still miss from the VAG world ( Seat ergonomics are still unacceptable to my taste - no lumbar support, and height adjustment doesn't go low enough as it did in my GTI. No telescopic steering wheel although you can adjust its height. Airbags are much less in number (no curtain airbags, pillars, etc..), and most of all... road noise is much higher as Subaru's have absolutely nothing in terms of sound deadening stuff.... although I did put dynamat in all 4 doors which helped tremendously). Next week I'm putting some dynamat on the roof and floors , and this should bring noise levels to what I deem acceptable.

In any case, I love my wagon, and have since installed a Worx tuning downpipe, Stage II accessport, STI pink wagon springs and rear sway, and have a prototype Milltek cat back on the way. In terms of performance, the 06 WRX obliterates the GTI IV.

Having said that, I just test drove a brand new GTI yesterday (DSG model), and was very impressed. I do hope you still are considering the new GTI's, especially because they are now made in Germany (higher quality control), come with HIDs, an absolutely enjoyable transmission, and completely upgraded driving dynamics, plus dont forget the latest ESP revision. Right from factory, the new 2.0T's are putting close to 200 whp. With just a chip, you're almost at the same levels as the 1.8Ts with K04s! You have an even better interior, better ergonomics , and most importantly ... your insurance rates will remain lower than with the WRX. ( For example, I was paying 95 a month for my GTI ... which was leased so we're talking max coverage). I now pay 170 a month for my WRX wagon, and I'm 26 and never got a ticket in my life (thanks to Valentine 1 by the way), or an accident... just so you have an idea. And by the way, say bye bye to your fuel economy once you come to the WRX world.


Finally, I would consider you trading your car for an 02-03 WRX to be a tremendous downgrade. Go test drive a new 06 WRX and compare it to a previous model, you'll see what I mean. If you are in such a difficult situation financially, lease one of the new 06 models instead and thank me later for it. Just dont forget what I said about insurance...

Go back and test drive a new GTI or the A3... and then think again.... and then make your decision.

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