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Old 03-12-2006, 10:03 PM   #1
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Default RWD vs AWD: How much power is too much for 2 wheels?

So, given the recent debates on how RWD > AWD for general track useage, does that ever change with increase power? I would think that eventually, the benefits of RWD would be overcome by traction issues and putting the power to the pavement. Afterall, the tires can only get so wide. I know a lot of supercars (Enzo) are RWD with lots of power, but there are also those with AWD and lots of power (Porshe CGT). So which is more effective at running around the track on a dry day, as in could you boost the power enough to where RWD would be pointless because the power would never get to the ground? Anyone with more knowledge like to comment?
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:05 PM   #2
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:05 PM   #3
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I know a lot of supercars (Enzo) are RWD with lots of power, but there are also those with AWD and lots of power (Porshe CGT).
The Carrera GT is RWD, Ginger.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:06 PM   #4
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This guy uses RWD, so its good enough for me.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:06 PM   #5
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FWD can handle more power than RWD and AWD, just look at the SRT4!
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:08 PM   #6
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This guy uses RWD, so its good enough for me.

Yeah, but he only goes fast STRAIGHT.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:11 PM   #7
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The Carrera GT is RWD, Ginger.
Whoops, I was thinking 911 turbo.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:12 PM   #8
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Yeah, but he only goes fast STRAIGHT.
werd. I'm talking road course.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:14 PM   #9
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Whoops, I was thinking 911 turbo.
And the GT2 and GT3 (more balls out race cars than the 911 turbo) are both RWD.

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Old 03-12-2006, 10:19 PM   #10
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I think about 600+ hp is too much for very high end cars, but its probably much much lower fo others. Hell, you see people spinning out with under 200.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:19 PM   #11
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but then you have the lambos that are awd as well.

Its all about preference. Top gear did an episode on it. Basically either is good, with its own advantages. awd shoots out of corners easier, apply throttle earlier. rwd is more light feeling and won't understeer into a turn
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But what if you had 1500hp/1500ft-lbs, could you still effectively put that down with RWD?
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:27 PM   #13
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Yeah, but he only goes fast STRAIGHT.
So it's impossible for a high-hp RWD car to handle well? Dont be stupid, stupid.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:31 PM   #14
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When you are able to spin the tires all the way from one corner to the next on the longest straightaway on a given track, THEN you have enough power.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:35 PM   #15
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AWD is more stable obviously, easier to drive. But with RWD , you can use the throttle to steer the car. If you look at Touring Car, the AWD cars only have a good advantadge when it's raining, other than that....

They borh have their pros and cons, but in "ideal" conditions, RWD wins out due to efficiency, weight and simplicity. There was a formula 1 car (or two) that were built with AWD, but that was ditched.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:38 PM   #16
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Lambo's are AWD because it is a feature they have, much like 911's are rear engined because they've always been so.

You can't really compare a drag car making 15,000 hp versus an F1 car making 950. The F1 car has TC and massive downforce too making it just a tad easier to drive at teh same speed as a road car.
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If the driver knows how to drive, the car properly set up, and is used to the car, no amount of power is "too much"
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but then you have the lambos that are awd as well.

Its all about preference. Top gear did an episode on it. Basically either is good, with its own advantages. awd shoots out of corners easier, apply throttle earlier. rwd is more light feeling and won't understeer into a turn
I learned that Hyenas are FWD, dogs are RWD.
That's what I learned about drive wheels from Top Gear.

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The last race I saw on Speed was at Laguna Seca. I don't remember what class it was, but there was a mixture of AWD, FWD, and a couple of RWD coupes and sedans on the race track. The cars were supposed to be matched for power, but the AWD cars were just whooping everyone else around the track. There was 2 or 3 audis that were grouped together way ahead of the pack.

I think it really depends on the track, but in this case AWD had the advantage big time.
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I have 390 BHP / 333 lb-ft RWD and really it is too much at low speeds. Above 40-50 MPH or so it is ok to open up. My car will sometimes break traction in 2nd as it hits the power peak, in the dry. There are blinky lights and warning beeps when that happens - depending on the shifting mode it will do different things; ie allows some wheelspin/sideways crabbing in sport mode, crazy tire smoking wheelspin in "everything off" mode.

And then there's wet weather...

The experience is quite different than driving a Subaru where you really never think much about traction under acceleration, just about balance of the car and when to brake.
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Your Maserati doesn't have traction control?
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