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Old 03-15-2006, 04:51 PM   #1
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Default Cobb Stg 2 vs Vishnu Stg 0...

Which one is more recommended? I'm looking at the Vishnu power package, and it seems to give pretty good bang for the buck...at about $300 less than the cobb power package.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:52 PM   #2
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Well, you don't necessary have to purchase cobb power package. You can always get the tbe of your choice and get Cobb.

In my opinion, cobb is really easier to work with, you plug and play....
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:54 PM   #3
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i havent heard any good thing about vishnu, i have heard someone saying they didnt like it.

alot of people use cobb and like it. and everyone here will recommend the cobb over the vishnu
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:55 PM   #4
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Get a cobb accessport... a helix downpipe, and a PDX custom e-tune.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:00 PM   #5
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get whatever the tuner in your area uses

pointless to get a cobb if no one uses it. same with utec/ecutek if no one in your area uses it.

better yet ask your local tuner
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:05 PM   #6
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It's not pointless if you never plan to get a custom tune.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:06 PM   #7
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get whatever the tuner in your area uses

pointless to get a cobb if no one uses it. same with utec/ecutek if no one in your area uses it.
I disagree. A custom-tune will usually only net a 10-25 hp gain, and costs another $200-300. Buy what you think is best.

Cobb Tuning AccessPort: my recommendation.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:07 PM   #8
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It's not pointless if you never plan to get a custom tune.
Exactly.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:13 PM   #9
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It's not pointless if you never plan to get a custom tune.
unless your car is special and dont like off the shelf maps.

example - you bought cobb/vishnu whichever one and there arent anyone close that uses that certain product.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:29 PM   #10
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That's possible too but for some people, me included, if that happened I'd just return it or sell it, rather than spend the extra loot to get it custom tuned and working right with my car.
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:45 PM   #11
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it's been like a couple months since the last time i saw the word "vishnu" on nasioc.
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Old 03-15-2006, 06:22 PM   #12
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What exactly are we talking about here? Vishnu's stage 0 is $650. Cobb's stage 2 package is $1625. So there's around $1000 difference, not $300. It'd be helpful to what we're actually comparing where the price difference is only $300.

Anyway, a real apples to apples would Vishnu stage 0 vs. Cobb stage 1 as both are just ECU reflashes.
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Old 03-15-2006, 06:36 PM   #13
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Vishnu basemaps are 2398489237459872347 times better than any other base map on any other em on the market.
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Old 03-15-2006, 06:42 PM   #14
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I disagree. A custom-tune will usually only net a 10-25 hp gain, and costs another $200-300. Buy what you think is best.

Cobb Tuning AccessPort: my recommendation.
Uh yeah I'll take 25 hp for $300 thats cheap
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Old 03-15-2006, 07:04 PM   #15
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What exactly are we talking about here? Vishnu's stage 0 is $650. Cobb's stage 2 package is $1625. So there's around $1000 difference, not $300. It'd be helpful to what we're actually comparing where the price difference is only $300.

Anyway, a real apples to apples would Vishnu stage 0 vs. Cobb stage 1 as both are just ECU reflashes.
Actually, Stage Subzero is $650. Stage Zero is $895 with the ECU reflash and $1240 with Xede...which is what I was comparing it to.
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Old 03-15-2006, 07:59 PM   #16
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Vishnu basemaps are 2398489237459872347 times better than any other base map on any other em on the market.
Are you kidding or serious?
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Old 03-15-2006, 09:29 PM   #17
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A base map is what it is, don't expect any of them to be the be-all end-all.
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:12 AM   #18
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no point in getting an accessport- the serious tuners/cars use ecutek/utec/hydra for a reason. im all for saving money (ebay tbe and tmic) but trust me engine management is not the place to save money.
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:43 PM   #19
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Are you kidding or serious?
Dead serious. Shiv may be a jackass, but his tuning capabilities FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR exceed anyone at Cobbs. ANd looking at the results of every car I have ever seen with a vishnu ecutek off the shelf reflash, and a AP off the shelpf reflash, the Vishnu cars run better, faster, and safer, more often. Of course there are good and bad on both, but the Vishnu works better, more often.
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:45 PM   #20
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no point in getting an accessport- the serious tuners/cars use ecutek/utec/hydra for a reason. im all for saving money (ebay tbe and tmic) but trust me engine management is not the place to save money.
The AP can do everything the ecutek can. Its a reflash, they use the same equipment (the stock ECU) so they have the same capabilities.
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:31 PM   #21
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The AP can do everything the ecutek can. Its a reflash, they use the same equipment (the stock ECU) so they have the same capabilities.

The AP has more....EcuTek doesn't have realtime maps.
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:16 PM   #22
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The AP has more....EcuTek doesn't have realtime maps.
EcuTek does have real time maps, just no way to switch between them... Unless you have an 02 wrx. You can program EcuTek to change maps when you hit the defroster and something else, I dont remember. Usually people do a High boost and Low boost map. Thats only with the 02 WRX ECU though. theSmokingMan form SCIC has ECUTek tuned 02 WRX that does that.
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Old 04-04-2006, 08:25 PM   #23
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Cobb's stage 2 package on their website also includes a TBE... thats why there is a $1000 difference. If you already have a TBE... you can just buy an Accessport for $600 or so... depending on year and model... and go straight to stage 2... the minimum requirement for stage 2 is a new downpipe... so really... you could just get a new downpipe for $200 or so and go stage 2... not as effective as a TBE but still doable!
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Old 04-05-2006, 11:48 PM   #24
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One nice thing about the AP is that there is no downtime. I think that you have to mail your ECU to Vishnu, so thats a few days you dont have a car. Just another thing to think about
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