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Old 02-28-2006, 05:22 PM   #1
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Default Lexus Announces Pricing on GS 450h Luxury Gas/Electric Hybrid Sport Sedan

Lexus Announces Pricing on GS 450h Luxury Gas/Electric Hybrid Sport Sedan



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February 28, 2006 - Torrance, CA - The 2007 Lexus GS 450h, the world's first luxury performance hybrid sedan, goes on sale in early May with a base Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $54,900. Beyond its advanced gas/electric hybrid powertrain and Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability control system, the base price includes a wide array of premium standard features typically offered as popular options on the GS 300 and GS 430.

"The GS 450h is a top-flight luxury performance sedan designed to have class-leading acceleration and responsiveness," said Lexus Group Vice President and General Manager Bob Carter. "Like the RX 400h, it is a performance-luxury vehicle without compromise, with fewer emissions and improved fuel economy over competitive V8-powered luxury sedans."

A completely new Lexus hybrid powertrain propels the new GS 450h. The system combines a 3.5-liter V6 engine with a new compact, high-output, permanent magnet electric motor that drives the rear wheels. The transmission utilizes an advanced two-stage motor torque multiplication device for the Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission (ECVT) motor, delivering responsive and seamless acceleration with no power loss.

With a combined system output of 339 horsepower, the new 3.5-liter V6 hybrid delivers the dynamic performance of a modern 4.5-liter V8 engine and is expected to be as quick or quicker than every V8-powered competitor in its class. The GS 450h accelerates from zero-to-60 miles per hour in approximately 5.2 seconds.

With 80 percent fewer smog-forming emissions than the average new car, the GS 450h delivers an estimated 33 percent better fuel efficiency than its V8 competitors with a manufacture-estimated combined fuel rating of 28 miles-per-gallon (MPG). A Super Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV)/Tier 2-BIN 3 emissions rating is expected.

Since the GS 450h is driven by its electric motors when starting, traveling slowly and during low-load driving, the Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) level is about half that of a conventional gasoline-powered engine, providing an extremely quiet ride.


In addition to the Lexus Hybrid System, the base price includes VDIM, an advanced stability system designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then help to automatically correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver.

Other standard features include Electronic Power Steering (EPS) with Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), electrically powered air conditioner, power moonroof and power rear sunshade, heated/ventilated front seats, rear side airbags, rain-sensing wipers, Intuitive Park Assist, rear back-up camera, a Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system, Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) with headlamp washers, 18-inch alloy wheels, and an eight-year/100,000-mile battery and hybrid system warranty.










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Old 03-19-2006, 11:18 AM   #2
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Torrance, CA - March 17, 2006: Lexus has announced the certified EPA-estimated mileage figures for the GS 450h, the world's first luxury performance hybrid sedan. The GS 450h has an EPA-estimated combined fuel-economy rating of 26 miles-per-gallon (mpg), with EPA-estimated fuel economy of 25 mpg city/28 mpg highway.

With 80 percent fewer smog-forming emissions than the average new car, the GS 450h delivers an estimated 28 percent better fuel efficiency than its V8 competitors. A Super Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV)/Tier 2-BIN 3 emissions rating is expected.

A completely new Lexus hybrid powertrain propels the new GS 450h. The system combines a 3.5-liter V6 engine with a new compact, high-output, permanent magnet electric motor that drives the rear wheels. The transmission utilizes an advanced two-stage motor torque multiplication device for the Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission (ECVT) motor, delivering responsive and seamless acceleration with no power loss.

With a combined system output of 339 horsepower, the new 3.5-liter V6 hybrid delivers the dynamic performance of a modern 4.5-liter V8 engine and is nearly as quick, or quicker, than every V8-powered competitor in its class. The GS 450h accelerates from zero-to-60 miles per hour in approximately 5.2 seconds.

Since the GS 450h is driven by its electric motors when starting, traveling slowly and during low-load driving, the Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) level is about half that of a conventional gasoline-powered engine, providing an extremely quiet ride.

The GS 450h goes on sale in early May with a base Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $54,900.






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Old 03-19-2006, 11:36 AM   #3
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Wow, pretty impressive. For $55k I think I can afford a bit more gas, though.

And it's styled like an Altima. That first side shot is a dead ringer. Think I'll take an M45, thanks.
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Old 03-20-2006, 10:13 AM   #4
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Looks like Hybrid really paid off for the in town. THis is why Toyota will see more sales because of taking a chance on the technology
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Old 03-20-2006, 11:59 AM   #5
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5.2 0-60 and 29mpg on the highway. That is pretty damn impressive out of a luxury boat like the GS.

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Old 03-20-2006, 07:41 PM   #6
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Looks like Hybrid really paid off for the in town. THis is why Toyota will see more sales because of taking a chance on the technology
EXACTLY.
Instead of giving the lip-service that Detroit has been giving us for years and years now that "hydrogen will solve all our problems", Toyota is actually bringing cars to market that will save us gas and get us better performance NOW, even if this "hydrogen future" never arrives.
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Old 03-20-2006, 08:42 PM   #7
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The NVH numbers were the most interesting part to me, very important things in a luxo boat.
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:10 AM   #8
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You arent saving anything with that car. Most useless crap around.

I am in the Who Cares Crowd!

Its not like it get 25 MPG city with your foot into it.

The 4 MPG savings will make you feel better and you can brag to your friends..

Wanna save something? Go buy a Corolla and Donate 5 to people who are driving beaters that are the real polluters or ****....

That said, it will sell
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:28 AM   #9
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Looks decent, pretty impressive numbers for such a heavy car.

Id change those rims asap though.
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:36 AM   #10
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yeah, they are finally doing the hybrids correctly...
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28mpg isn't far off of a gasoline GS, is it?


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Old 03-21-2006, 09:24 AM   #12
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GS430 - 18/25MPG; 5.7 sec 0-60; $52,000

The 450h isn't a bad deal, IMO. Far better city fuel economy and 1/2 a second quicker to 60. Depending if you did city or highway driving mostly would determine which is better for you.

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Manual BMW 550 is
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I'm just not that impressed. On paper, yeah, it's great, but in the grand scheme of things, what are we really saying?

"We're not going to compromise on ANYTHING. It's going to weigh a ton, have billions of features, and all the horsepower AND MORE, and it will get mediocre gas mileage to boot!"

I'm not saying that everybody should drive around in a honda insight, but did the marketing people really arrive at the concept that says, "If we get rich people to buy it, the marketing trickles down to the everyday consumer. But the only way rich people will buy the technology is if we give them everything they had before AND MORE, and a few extra MPG's..."

When a 10 year old Civic gets 39 city and 45 highway, I just don't see how 25/28 is impressive. Yes, I understand safety elements make the car weigh more, so my argument is that you need to cut weight elsewhere to balance it out.

Why can't the horsepower war take a backseat for a few years? It's a vicious cycle:

1. Car gets more gizmos and safety features with little concern for weight
2. Car weighs more
3. Car needs bigger engine (which also weighs more) to make it go as fast and car MUST be faster than previous year
4. Car gets worse MPG
5. Rinse and repeat


CARS NEED TO START GOING ON A DIET!!!!! I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on the Internet, and yes, again, I realize safety equipment weighs more, but I can't recall many instances where a manufacturer says, "Hey - this is the brand new 2007 XYZ model. It's basically identical to to the 2006 model, except it weighs 350 lbs less and gets 7 more MPG..."

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europe gets 40-45mpg out of v6 cars....Alfa Romeo 147 GTA gets 43mpg out of a 250BHP V6...crazy huh
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I'm just not that impressed. On paper, yeah, it's great, but in the grand scheme of things, what are we really saying?

"We're not going to compromise on ANYTHING. It's going to weigh a ton, have billions of features, and all the horsepower AND MORE, and it will get mediocre gas mileage to boot!"

I'm not saying that everybody should drive around in a honda insight, but did the marketing people really arrive at the concept that says, "If we get rich people to buy it, the marketing trickles down to the everyday consumer. But the only way rich people will buy the technology is if we give them everything they had before AND MORE, and a few extra MPG's..."

When a 10 year old Civic gets 39 city and 45 highway, I just don't see how 25/28 is impressive. Yes, I understand safety elements make the car weigh more, so my argument is that you need to cut weight elsewhere to balance it out.

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Well, the marketing people have just decided to try hybrids in all market segments. You have economy cars, trucks, SUVs, and now luxury cars that are hybrids. Who wouldn't want more power *and* slightly better gas mileage? The guy shopping for a BMW or Lexus GS isn't interested in a Civic or Corolla to save gas. He is however, interested in a BMW or Lexus GS that has more power and gets better mileage.
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I'm just not that impressed. On paper, yeah, it's great, but in the grand scheme of things, what are we really saying?

"We're not going to compromise on ANYTHING. It's going to weigh a ton, have billions of features, and all the horsepower AND MORE, and it will get mediocre gas mileage to boot!"

I'm not saying that everybody should drive around in a honda insight, but did the marketing people really arrive at the concept that says, "If we get rich people to buy it, the marketing trickles down to the everyday consumer. But the only way rich people will buy the technology is if we give them everything they had before AND MORE, and a few extra MPG's..."

When a 10 year old Civic gets 39 city and 45 highway, I just don't see how 25/28 is impressive. Yes, I understand safety elements make the car weigh more, so my argument is that you need to cut weight elsewhere to balance it out.

Why can't the horsepower war take a backseat for a few years? It's a vicious cycle:

1. Car gets more gizmos and safety features with little concern for weight
2. Car weighs more
3. Car needs bigger engine (which also weighs more) to make it go as fast and car MUST be faster than previous year
4. Car gets worse MPG
5. Rinse and repeat


CARS NEED TO START GOING ON A DIET!!!!! I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on the Internet, and yes, again, I realize safety equipment weighs more, but I can't recall many instances where a manufacturer says, "Hey - this is the brand new 2007 XYZ model. It's basically identical to to the 2006 model, except it weighs 350 lbs less and gets 7 more MPG..."

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Show me a 10 year old civic that gets 45 mpg, goes 0-60 in 5.2sec, and has all the luxury of the GS. This isn't meant to be an economy car. It is a performance sedan. This performance sedan just happens to get better fuel economy than my 2.5RS and gets to 60 a hell of a lot quicker. That is the market for this car. If you want to bitch about hybrids, bitch about the current hybrid Civic that gets around 50 mpg. It should be much closer to 60 mpg, as it is an economy car.

Think about it this way. The prospective buyer of the GS is going to buy a quick sports sedan with a ton of luxury items. If there was no GS, he'd be driving a car with similar dynamics that gets around 22 mpg highway. Sure, it isn't a huge boost to the gas mileage, but it is an improvement. So long as there is a market for luxy sport sedans that have some punch, car makers will keep making them. I'd much rather every large sports sedan get 29 mpg instead of 22.

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I'm just not that impressed. On paper, yeah, it's great, but in the grand scheme of things, what are we really saying?

"We're not going to compromise on ANYTHING. It's going to weigh a ton, have billions of features, and all the horsepower AND MORE, and it will get mediocre gas mileage to boot!"

I'm not saying that everybody should drive around in a honda insight, but did the marketing people really arrive at the concept that says, "If we get rich people to buy it, the marketing trickles down to the everyday consumer. But the only way rich people will buy the technology is if we give them everything they had before AND MORE, and a few extra MPG's..."

When a 10 year old Civic gets 39 city and 45 highway, I just don't see how 25/28 is impressive. Yes, I understand safety elements make the car weigh more, so my argument is that you need to cut weight elsewhere to balance it out.

Why can't the horsepower war take a backseat for a few years? It's a vicious cycle:

1. Car gets more gizmos and safety features with little concern for weight
2. Car weighs more
3. Car needs bigger engine (which also weighs more) to make it go as fast and car MUST be faster than previous year
4. Car gets worse MPG
5. Rinse and repeat


CARS NEED TO START GOING ON A DIET!!!!! I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on the Internet, and yes, again, I realize safety equipment weighs more, but I can't recall many instances where a manufacturer says, "Hey - this is the brand new 2007 XYZ model. It's basically identical to to the 2006 model, except it weighs 350 lbs less and gets 7 more MPG..."

</rant>

Listen, I am a realist here. The hedonistic people that feel the "need" that they have to have all the gadgets in the world are simply NOT going to ever settle for somethign like a Prius. I TOTALY get what you are saying, but I rather have some fatcat drive this cars - which actually does get good (not great, but still good) gas mileage - than driving around in one that gets 16/25 MPG.

Also don't forget that the added cost of this hybrid system in this high-end car will help ammortize the cost of developing even more advanced hybrids. It's simply easier to add $XXXX to the cost of a luxury car than it is to a price-conscious econobox.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:34 PM   #19
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The problem you get with Hybrids is a market stripped for battery material and the minimal environmental advantages over a standard engine (I wonder what the Prius would get if it had just a 80hp high efficiency gas motor.)

I hate how people paint "Detroit" as being evil for pursuing hydrogen while ignoring Hybrids. Any engineer will tell you that the Hybrid tech has only a band aid fix on the fossil fuel problem we experience. Tooting around in a Prius or saveing some gas in your GS450h won't help the Natural Gas and Oil uses that we have in every building north of the Mason Dixon Line. The Oil used to power electric Generators, etc. Hydrogen is seen as the future by GM, MB, BMW, Honda(a hybrid propnent, is putting mor money into the fuel cell car. It is a means of energy transport, not a source. That's why Iceland has a refuelling station and busses that run on Hydrogen. They are all geothermal energy, but you can't easily move it. The only eneergy they pay for the source of is transportation (Heat, hot water, electricity is all created by geothermal). Liquified Hydrogen can be created using a stationary natural energy source that converts geothermal/hydro/wind/solar/etc energy into electricity, then into Hydrogen. That's what the industry is working for. But many things need to be worked out. How long did it take for the gas engine to take over for horses in almost every use today? It will take time. While hybrids provide easier to achieve results (uses gas, batteries, motors, all technology that has been engineered to the nines) they are momentary in effectiveness. Toyota and Honda saw the marketing potential, and are benefiting now. But they will mostly turn into the next Electric or Steam powered car. A good idea with some benefits, but limited appeal due to limitations.
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The problem you get with Hybrids is a market stripped for battery material and the minimal environmental advantages over a standard engine (I wonder what the Prius would get if it had just a 80hp high efficiency gas motor.)

I hate how people paint "Detroit" as being evil for pursuing hydrogen while ignoring Hybrids. Any engineer will tell you that the Hybrid tech has only a band aid fix on the fossil fuel problem we experience. Tooting around in a Prius or saveing some gas in your GS450h won't help the Natural Gas and Oil uses that we have in every building north of the Mason Dixon Line. The Oil used to power electric Generators, etc. Hydrogen is seen as the future by GM, MB, BMW, Honda(a hybrid propnent, is putting mor money into the fuel cell car. It is a means of energy transport, not a source. That's why Iceland has a refuelling station and busses that run on Hydrogen. They are all geothermal energy, but you can't easily move it. The only eneergy they pay for the source of is transportation (Heat, hot water, electricity is all created by geothermal). Liquified Hydrogen can be created using a stationary natural energy source that converts geothermal/hydro/wind/solar/etc energy into electricity, then into Hydrogen. That's what the industry is working for. But many things need to be worked out. How long did it take for the gas engine to take over for horses in almost every use today? It will take time. While hybrids provide easier to achieve results (uses gas, batteries, motors, all technology that has been engineered to the nines) they are momentary in effectiveness. Toyota and Honda saw the marketing potential, and are benefiting now. But they will mostly turn into the next Electric or Steam powered car. A good idea with some benefits, but limited appeal due to limitations.

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For a $55,000 luxo 4 door, I'd have to go with the Germans and their DIESEL technology.

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That's just my argument, again, I think people can do whatever the hell they want with their money- buy a baby stroller with a viper engine in it, I don't care, just tax the hell out of it for being a gas guzzler. They're rich, they can afford it.

I'm not saying that the Lexus doesn't serve a purpose or it's market, I'm saying it does not impress *me* and I don't think it's anything worth flaunting- look at the sticker on that Merc- 27/37 vs 25/28 for the lex. Those numbers are quite a bit more impressive IMO, and that car goes like stink too and also weighs more than a freight train and has every luxury feature Arthur Randell-Palmer McFinkenstein could possibly want. Throw biodiesel into the mix and it won't make you choke down the black stuff in a stoplight race.
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I'm a big fan of diesel cars but I'm also enough of a realist to look at the fact that the E320 CDI isn't available for purchase in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont (because it doesn't meet emissions laws) and is almost 2 seconds slower 0-60 than the Lexus.
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I have driven the new CDI, but not the Lex. If I wanted gas mileage, I'd go with the Benz though. For performance I would just get a GS400 non-hybrid.
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Another aspect of hybrids that is ignored is trading good gas mileage in for dead batteries in land fills. For an environmentalist, they may feel good in saving on gas, but then in 8-10 years (unless they trade it in for a new hybrid), they (or the new owners) will have to replace the battery pack. Where are those old, dead, unless batteries with all that lead and acid going to go?
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