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Old 03-20-2006, 12:52 PM   #1
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Default accutek vs. cobb

I just bought a 04 baja turbo and a non-cat up-pipe from another member here.

A couple of tuners and the local dealer here seem to lean towards accutek for tuning the baja but the cobb seems to give me more flexibility.

I'd appreciate any feedback on both and I'm sorta on a budget.

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Old 03-20-2006, 12:55 PM   #2
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Accutek? HUH
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Old 03-20-2006, 12:57 PM   #3
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yeah, never heard of that one
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:02 PM   #4
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Spend some time reading the engine management forum, especially the FAQ stickies. Ecutek and AP are essentially the same thing. Personally I think the AP makes ten times more sense, and is cheaper in the short and long term. The software the tuner uses may work slightly different, but they're still changing essentially the same maps in your ECU.

Isn't the Baja a 2.5L? Does it not come with a catless uppipe from the factory?
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Old 03-20-2006, 02:52 PM   #5
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Yea, Ecutek. I've never seen it spelled only talked about.

Thanks Freon. I looked on the forum and think I'll go with the AP and maybe get PDX to tune/program it.

As far as the up-pipe, I don't know if it is cat or not. I guess I moved too fast. The engineer at the local Subaru said my first step should be a flexible non-catted up-pipe, then a TBE system. I just bougth a Helix non-cat pipe from another user on this site based on the engineers suggestion. I hope I didn't just buy something I don't need.

Thanks for your help anyway.

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Old 03-20-2006, 04:14 PM   #6
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Yeah, if you could look through your uppipe (just a big open pipe) and no honeycomb looking thing was blocking it, you got something you don't need. AFAIK, all North America market 2.5L turbos for all models and all years have no catalyst in the uppipe.

The upside here is you can sell your old uppipe if it is catless. You won't get all your money back, but better than nothing.
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Old 03-20-2006, 07:06 PM   #7
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Default good idea

Thank for the idea of selling my old up-pipe. I didn't think of that.

I hope at least that the helix pipe flows better than stock. I am a little concerned now though that my local Subaru guy suggested something I may not really need or that he didn't know that mine was had no cat.

Thanks again for the help.
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Old 03-20-2006, 07:58 PM   #8
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Yeah, if you could look through your uppipe (just a big open pipe) and no honeycomb looking thing was blocking it, you got something you don't need. AFAIK, all North America market 2.5L turbos for all models and all years have no catalyst in the uppipe.

The upside here is you can sell your old uppipe if it is catless. You won't get all your money back, but better than nothing.

lol wrong. the 05 and 06 legacy GT have uppipe cats and both are 2.5L turbos
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:58 PM   #9
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Thanks. I was a little worried there. I'm going to get it on a lift and check and hopefully install the pipe.

BTW I went on Cobbs site and they don't have any time with the baja turbo and don't really have any maps yet so I think I'm going to go to the daler for ecutec.

Thanks agin for you help.

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Old 03-21-2006, 09:00 PM   #10
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ecutek= 1 time flash by protuner...done
AP= preset maps that may or maynot be good for your car.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:35 PM   #11
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ecutek= 1 time flash by protuner...done
AP= preset maps that may or maynot be good for your car.
This is COMPLETELY WRONG information.

ECUTek is a reflashing company based in UK - they offer tools to professionals that allow those pros to either send you a reflashed ECU (which may or may not be good for your car) or to custom tune it on a dyno with your car in-house.

AccessECU is another reflashing company (based in SaltLakeCity / part of Cobb Tuning) and they also offer those tools to professionals for custom dynotuning or sending out off-the-shelf maps. The main difference is in delivery.

With ECUTek, the flashing must be done by the professional onto an ECU. With AccessPort, the end-user can do the flashing onto their own ECU using the "AccessPort" tool (the black box that you get when you buy it).

A "Protuner" is one who professionally tunes AccessPort-enabled cars. A "Pro Tuner" is anybody who tunes cars for a living.

Both formats (AccessECU and ECUTek) are fully capable of producing Off-The-Shelf maps for users or for custom dynotuning to perfection. I personally don't understand why people still use ECUTek with the convenience and upgradeability of AccessPort.

Accessport has:
-lower initial cost for off-the-shelf (and similar final cost when dynotuned)
-end-user reprogramming
-end-user UN-programming
-upgradeability to StreetTuner which is a fully user-tunable system
-on-the-fly map switching of up to 8 maps
-easy resale when you want to get rid of it
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:44 PM   #12
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2005 and earlier 2.5L turbo Subarus all had cat in uppipe, minus STi. 2006 Legacy GT still has catted uppipe, not sure 2006 Baja.

I went with Accessport, since I went off-the-shelf stage 1 at first, waited six months, then went off-the-shelf stage 2 with UP/DP. Getting ProTuned Monday.

Nice having a tool that can handle the various states of mods without having to go somewhere to get tuned, and have the option of future StreetTuning upgrade and getting maps remotely if I do any upgrades in my driveway before driving to a dyno.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:44 PM   #13
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there's nothing you can't do with accessport that you can do with ecutek... plus the ability to switch between more than 2 maps at any time is a big advantage for ap

and the stuff nhluhr mentioned
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Old 03-22-2006, 01:21 AM   #14
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2005 and earlier 2.5L turbo Subarus all had cat in uppipe, minus STi. 2006 Legacy GT still has catted uppipe, not sure 2006 Baja.
Are you sure the 2006 Leg still has a cat in the uppipe? I thought all the 2006 models (except STI) swapped the uppipe cat for the smog-pump?
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Old 03-22-2006, 05:07 AM   #15
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The ap has just recently gotten their act together. Before st and pt they were behind in the game. Worry less about which brand em to buy and concentrate on the finding right tuner in your area. If the guy you like near you tunes on ecutek then you know which one to buy. and vice versa.
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Old 03-22-2006, 05:45 AM   #16
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My tuner does roadtunes of ECUtek for $150... but Protunes for $300+ (not sure about dyno or not tho...) Would there be any reason for this if they're both road tunes?? Cobb license is more $$ to protune?
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Old 03-22-2006, 09:37 AM   #17
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I appreciate all of the input on this post.

I'll take a few minutes to describe myself and this post.

I'm fairly computer literate but not very familiar with forum usage and acronyms used although I figured out what lol and afaik mean.

I just bought a 04 Baja Turbo because I needed the functionality of a truck and all wheel drive because I'm in construction and am off paved roads a good bit but I don't plan to be doing any serious off roading. I do think however that I need to retain the stock ride height even though I would like the handling improvement from lowering.

I am fairly mechanically inclined but have no experience with turbos or tuning.

I'm thinking that the only mods that I would make any time soon are installing the Helix up-pipe that I just bought and later adding a TBE. Then tuning.

I like the idea of multiple maps: one for good mileage and one for performance? but beyond that I'm not sure how much tuning I would do beyond that.

The only contact that I have in the metro Atlanta, Ga area is my local Subaru dealer. These guys seem to be pretty sharp and enthusiastic but my only reference is them and then what I've read on this site and a couple of others.

Again, I appreciate all of the insight on this page and welcome any input. It looks to me like I should go with the Accessport but would like to have someone local that is proficcient with it in case I do something wrong.
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Old 03-24-2006, 09:54 AM   #18
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Personally, I'd suggest buying a used AP for an 04 FXT (sorry, that's Forester 2.5 XT ). I've seen nothing to contradict that the Baja turbo and the FXT were the same setup and for all intents and purposes should take the same mapping. Talk to the folks at Cobb and see what they suggest.
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Old 03-27-2006, 08:59 AM   #19
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Thanks for the info on the XT. Looking at the Cobb forum - they seem to dealing with the fact that the baja's came with different maps for different years and were asking that anyone with a Baja turbo bring it in so they could develop maps specific to each year. This seems a little strange because I've never read of a similar situation on the other Subaru turbos but it did come from someone on their site.

I guess the benefit from the AP is that it is tuneable and that anyone with experience on the AP could custom map MY car rather that use an off the shelf map.

Does this sound correct?


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Old 03-27-2006, 12:28 PM   #20
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Accutek? HUH
alot of my friends swear by accutek, but i am going to get the cobb i think
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Old 03-28-2006, 09:27 AM   #21
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Cobb AccessPORT vs. EcuTek discussion is finally over.

I spoke with a rep from Cobb and they do not have any applications for the Baja Turbo and probably won't. Their only solution was to swap entire engine, ceu, etc from a Forester XT.

It appears that EcuTeK does support Baja Turbos and my local Subaru dealer is apparently pretty good with it.

Thanks again for everone's input and suggestions.

I guess I'll be doing my research on EcuTek and delta dash.
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