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Old 10-15-2013, 02:49 PM   #3201
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Umm...alignment won't change with changing wheels, the geometry remains the same just a different overall COG. The relation of the hubs to the rest of the suspension/chassis remains constant. Also with that, I've made no alignment changes when going between the two, but you might need to make changes to shocks/tire pressures as the balance might be a bit different. I found the 17's to be a bit "livelier", especially on throttle.

As for ride height, I forget exacly where mine is, but I'm sure I've posted it in here and/or on my build thread. But it's whatever the standard suggested ride height was in this thread. I would have to search, but it's in this thread.

Edit: did some searching, looks like I'm at 14" front and 13.5" in the rear. I get some rubbing in the front, but nothing major unless there's a big bump while the steering is turned hard...then the fender liner just gets ripped out.
Thanks. I only meant camber change if changing ride height on the coilover switching to the 17s since they are shorter and the car can run lower, having now raised it a bit for the 18s. We'll see how it goes, we have some potentially interesting "undulations" in the lot, better or worse depending on course designer, and understand the fender liner issue, been there done that, and repeated...
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:20 PM   #3202
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Thanks for all the objective feedback on tires gents, it's great to read personal experiences across many events to judge the worthiness. Good stuff.

I hesitate to consider the rivals because two guys locally ran them and wouldn't consider purchasing a second set. Mostly for the vagueness and durability.

I've been on the same RS3s for 250+ runs, including two Evo Schools and they still have 4/32s tread. I'll likely be able to run them through the winter events and at least half way through next season, so 300+ runs out of the RS3s. Plus I like being able to annihilate the tires on my first run to get heat in them, hooning is fun.

Even if the Dunlops or BFGs are faster I can't justify switching to a tire that is toast in half the time of the RS3s. Spending twice as much on rubber to be marginally faster just doesn't make sense. Until I have a glimmer of a chance for contingency I'll save my money for more seat time.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:42 AM   #3203
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Ironically, despite starting out at 7/32nds, the Rivals are wearing better than I expected for me. My old Z1's and RS3's also wore pretty well. I haven't tried Z2's of my own yet. I seriously doubt any of them wear in half the time the RS3's do.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:00 AM   #3204
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Haven't had a problem of poor wear on the Rivals here. My first set was used for a good 150+ runs and still had decent tread. Only issue was the outside shoulder part was mostly gone, but then again doing a co-driven Pro/Tour at Spring Nationals along with 10-15 practice course runs on that surface will do that. Lincoln will wear them down fast, but outside of that no issues. I could have easily gotten 200+ out of them, but there was no reason to with a fresh set needing to be scrubbed in for Nats.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:20 AM   #3205
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I've got at least 120 runs on my first set of Rivals, and they are still working great with 4/32nds left. My concern about Rivals is only at nationals. Everywhere else, they are great.

I've never seen RS3's last anywhere near 300 runs and still be worth running on an STI. My set heat cycled out in less than 75 runs. They had plenty of tread left, but they felt awful and wouldn't go fast anymore Swapped to Z1*'s at the time and went a full second faster on the first run.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:43 AM   #3206
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As discussed earlier in this thread I ended up running my car at VIR after adding a 25mm swaybar on stiff setting to increase spring rates in the front to eliminate the doglegging. Worked like a charm!

EDIT* the cover photo from the video is prior to the 25mm in front hehe.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:05 AM   #3207
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I've got at least 120 runs on my first set of Rivals, and they are still working great with 4/32nds left. My concern about Rivals is only at nationals. Everywhere else, they are great.
Good point John. Also in regards to improving after first runs, I found it hard to do so on the Z1's as well. I don't know if it had to do with weird buildup of crap on the tires, lack of cooling, or what. Just seems that the combination of OPR/sealant/whatever isn't good for anything but Toyos. If I were to run the STi again, I would be half tempted to try a set at Lincoln just to see what happens. Maybe even run the "magical" 235/40/17 and just run the whole thing in 3rd gear.

Or the more likely option: have two sets of Dunlops and swap after every run and cool off the old set after taking them off.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:26 PM   #3208
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. If I were to run the STi again
Whats the plan? You selling the car as is...parting out? Whats next?

Sorry for all the questions but I dont get to talk to you every weekend anymore...
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:29 AM   #3209
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rival - if you can live with a more r-comp type feedback...
This statement has me scratching my head. The Rivals are about as far from Hoosier A6's as you can get. The Rivals are vague, sloppy, and squeal like a stuck pig - totally the opposite of the A6's, which feel extremely precise and run almost silent.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:45 AM   #3210
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some local surfaces they are quiet/silent here... my comment was relative to that, more so than the vague vs. precise feel of an A6.

That's what I get for writing a post while trying to actually work.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:19 AM   #3211
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Whats the plan? You selling the car as is...parting out? Whats next?

Sorry for all the questions but I dont get to talk to you every weekend anymore...
If someone wanted to buy it for the right price as is, I might be willing to let it go. At this point, I just really want to compete in something else, preferably RWD. Looking at STR in an S2000, STX in a Twin, or SS in a Vette with the preference being a drive in SS. I would love to find a car to co-drive since I really don't want to get rid of the STi. I know if I do I'll end up regretting it, hence wanting to get a co-drive. If I can't find a good co-drive that works out and if I decide that buying a third car is just stupid (which it kind of is), then I may just end up staying in the STi for simplicity's sake. But we'll see, the offseason is long and things can change a lot over the next 5 months. Who knows, maybe I get stupid and end up in SM or something.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:50 PM   #3212
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At this point, I just really want to compete in something else, preferably RWD. I would love to find a car to co-drive since I really don't want to get rid of the STi. I know if I do I'll end up regretting it, hence wanting to get a co-drive.
That was me 12 months ago. Co-driving is awesome. You get to say you have a car owner. And co-drivers that have 2.5RS ice racers are awesomer.
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:49 AM   #3213
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If someone wanted to buy it for the right price as is, I might be willing to let it go. At this point, I just really want to compete in something else, preferably RWD. Looking at STR in an S2000, STX in a Twin, or SS in a Vette with the preference being a drive in SS. I would love to find a car to co-drive since I really don't want to get rid of the STi. I know if I do I'll end up regretting it, hence wanting to get a co-drive. If I can't find a good co-drive that works out and if I decide that buying a third car is just stupid (which it kind of is), then I may just end up staying in the STi for simplicity's sake. But we'll see, the offseason is long and things can change a lot over the next 5 months. Who knows, maybe I get stupid and end up in SM or something.
That's my dilemma. I want rwd very badly, but I hate to say it, I love this stupid subaru way to much. Part of me wants a z06, another part wants a brz, and another part of me wants to build a SM car that can double as a TT car as well and race Nasa.

But with the girlfriend winning our regions rookie of the year(winning her season events paid for and nationals entry fee paid for) I'll be going all in on stu and hopefully meeting some of you guys next year at Nats. 2015? That's completely up in the air for now.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:17 AM   #3214
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2014 you mean?
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:15 AM   #3215
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I loved codriving. It was a great situation.

I'm hoping for a job/location change an hour closer to Grissom. I might be giving a e36 stx car a shot if things work out in the next few months.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:54 PM   #3216
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2014 you mean?
2014 will be STU
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:33 AM   #3217
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I tried Toyo R1Rs and Hankook RS-3s on a very well sorted STX E36 this past weekend, and I liked them both.

What is the current prevailing wisdom on either of these on an STU STi? Especially for Lincoln / concrete?

edit: Assume a single driver car. I know some say the RS3s are a better choice for a codriven car. I'd just never really considered either and especially not the Toyo.

Thanks.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:34 AM   #3218
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The few STU/ASP guys that I know that've run them say they're ok in temps under 70 for about 2 runs....or if it's raining. Otherwise they're greasy.

All hearsay since I haven't run them personally. Still, remember that E36 weighs a good 500 lbs less than the STi.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:49 PM   #3219
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I've seen a few folks run the RS-3 somewhat successfully over the summer with spraying, but they were not faster than a ZII; as far as the R1R, what subydude said.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:46 AM   #3220
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I put a set of toyos on my car for a test and tune run this past summer. They don't mix well
With our cars and were greasy right away.
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The off season chores have begun on my STU tool... hopefully all said and done I will be close with Hale or Pomrenke... (not sure Geoff is in my sights yet, and looks like the Luster/Shane combo may be in a different class) Cheers to lightening the car by another 50+lbs, and adding a considerable amount of power, lightening the driver by 50lbs and learning to drive the lack of ABS better.

Looking forward to '14 Nationals already...
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:47 AM   #3222
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The off season chores have begun on my STU tool... hopefully all said and done I will be close with Hale or Pomrenke... (not sure Geoff is in my sights yet, and looks like the Luster/Shane combo may be in a different class) Cheers to lightening the car by another 50+lbs, and adding a considerable amount of power, lightening the driver by 50lbs and learning to drive the lack of ABS better.

Looking forward to '14 Nationals already...
I'm in the midst of a part-out currently. Too many things starting to go wrong with the car this season. It's been great running in STU for all these years, but it is time for something new

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Old 10-28-2013, 10:03 AM   #3223
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So, only Geoff will be coming back from this year's Top 5. I guess that means that Geoff will likely run away with it next year if he stays...interesting.

Still trying to figure out what I'm going to do next year. I really don't want to get rid of the STi, which really limits my options. Just need to find a good co-drive in a good class and I'll be good, haven't found it yet though.
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Want to co-drive an EVO in ST_ ummm.. nevermind.

Well I guess I'll just try to stay within seconds of Geoff than for 2014, humbug.
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So, only Geoff will be coming back from this year's Top 5. I guess that means that Geoff will likely run away with it next year if he stays...interesting.

Still trying to figure out what I'm going to do next year. I really don't want to get rid of the STi, which really limits my options. Just need to find a good co-drive in a good class and I'll be good, haven't found it yet though.
With your credentials, shouldn't be that hard to find.

I'm clueless on my future as well. My legacy gt blew a ringland so I'm trying to dump that and maybe get into cheaper dd and a stx 3 series
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