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Old 12-29-2009, 05:29 PM   #1276
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Hmmm... I haven't heard of these, much. Do you know how the ride compares to the T0s, Ohlins, or T2s on the street?
Dunno. I don't have any real seat time in those setups. I guess Josh and I could have a ride quality battlestage once I put them back on in the spring. (I remove them for winter to avoid salt and general crap, since I DD the car in the winter but not the rest of the year)

I would say that I feel like I could daily drive it as long as I wasn't living in NYC or something like that. Even though it's not my DD anymore, I still managed to put 15K miles on it this year, including the 1200 mile trip to Nebraska and back for nationals and we didn't hate ourselves. That was with 450/500 lb/in spring rates and the Dunlops. The ride quality would be better if I wasn't running the car as low as I am (13.6" all around). Even going from 13.8" to 13.6" was a subtle but noticeable decrease in ride quality.

All told, it's liveable, but certainly not cushy. I don't think anything with these spring rates is going to ride like a Cadillac.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:39 PM   #1277
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I would say that I feel like I could daily drive it as long as I wasn't living in NYC or something like that.


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Old 12-29-2009, 05:41 PM   #1278
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If I lived in NYC I would make it a point to pretty much never drive.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:46 PM   #1279
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I should snap some photos of the sheet-y roads I have to deal with. You guys wouldn't believe me.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:47 PM   #1280
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Hmmm... I haven't heard of these, much. Do you know how the ride compares to the T0s, Ohlins, or T2s on the street?
Seriously depends on your spring rates. Also, springs rate selection depends on how important your sway bars are. If your planning on staying on the soft side then all of the mentioned coilovers will be great choices (what ohlins are you thinking about?). If you plan to go stiff then that will change.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:49 PM   #1281
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If I lived in NYC I would make it a point to pretty much never drive.
I thought u had another car you could drive in the winter? My car hasnt seen snow since 06...I do miss late night snow drift sessions though!
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:57 PM   #1282
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I thought u had another car you could drive in the winter? My car hasnt seen snow since 06...I do miss late night snow drift sessions though!
I had a 98 M3 that got pickup truck'd. The '99 I replaced it with is too nice to drive in the winter Thanks Rob!

The WRX is much better for scoobnuts anyway.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:12 PM   #1283
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Not sure about John's setup for DD, but I find the T2's to be quite comfortable on the street, even with 600/500 springs...and that includes leaving the shocks on the autocross setup.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:59 PM   #1284
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The '99 I replaced it with is too nice to drive in the winter Thanks Rob!
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:06 PM   #1285
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Hmmm... I haven't heard of these, much. Do you know how the ride compares to the T0s, Ohlins, or T2s on the street?
The Ground Controls will ride better than the T0's and T2's. About the same as the Ohlins, maybe a little bit more harsh. I've found out of the box the Ohlins are usually compliant regardless of spring rate.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:08 PM   #1286
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Anyone catch the STU press in GRM Feb 2010 page 161-162
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:21 PM   #1287
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Anyone catch the STU press in GRM Feb 2010 page 161-162
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:44 PM   #1288
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Nope, but I saw your cone head and wittle spoiler in the December issue...still waiting on the February issue. How about posting a scanned pic?
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:10 PM   #1289
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:02 PM   #1290
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:26 AM   #1291
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The Ground Controls will ride better than the T0's and T2's. About the same as the Ohlins, maybe a little bit more harsh. I've found out of the box the Ohlins are usually compliant regardless of spring rate.
Interesting... Yes, I've also read that the Ohlins are valved for a wide variety of springs. Really the only ones I'd consider are the RCE Blacks, as I only want a slight drop.

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Not sure about John's setup for DD, but I find the T2's to be quite comfortable on the street, even with 600/500 springs...and that includes leaving the shocks on the autocross setup.
That's quite impressive! I figured the 600/500 springs would require periodic back surgery...

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Seriously depends on your spring rates. Also, springs rate selection depends on how important your sway bars are. If your planning on staying on the soft side then all of the mentioned coilovers will be great choices (what ohlins are you thinking about?). If you plan to go stiff then that will change.
Cool, thanks! I'm considering the Ohlins FPS. Too cheap to spring for the baller Flag coilovers. I really like a firm ride around town (our roads don't suck), maybe soften it slightly when driving on trips (I59 between Birmingham and Chattanooga, anyone...?), and stiffen it up considerably for AX events.

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I should snap some photos of the sheet-y roads I have to deal with. You guys wouldn't believe me.
I would. Closest to NYC I've driven is DC... And that scared me! The car I traded for the STI was a Maxima I had lowered on Eibach springs and the Tokico Illuminas. Firm ride, not bouncy. Stiff enough for improved handling and a slight drop, but not so stiff I would commit suicide during the 11-hour drive back home from Virginia.

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Dunno. I don't have any real seat time in those setups. I guess Josh and I could have a ride quality battlestage once I put them back on in the spring. (I remove them for winter to avoid salt and general crap, since I DD the car in the winter but not the rest of the year)

I would say that I feel like I could daily drive it as long as I wasn't living in NYC or something like that. Even though it's not my DD anymore, I still managed to put 15K miles on it this year, including the 1200 mile trip to Nebraska and back for nationals and we didn't hate ourselves. That was with 450/500 lb/in spring rates and the Dunlops. The ride quality would be better if I wasn't running the car as low as I am (13.6" all around). Even going from 13.8" to 13.6" was a subtle but noticeable decrease in ride quality.

All told, it's liveable, but certainly not cushy. I don't think anything with these spring rates is going to ride like a Cadillac.
Yeah, I don't expect them to be cushy, just firm/stiff, but with better compliance than the stock suspension. And much-reduced bobblehead!
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:34 AM   #1292
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Yeah, I'm comparing it to what I vaguely remember of the stock WRX suspension, or comparing it to stock struts with Prodrive springs, or stock E36 M3. And it's less comfortable than those. But the STi is more harsh from the factory than a lot of cars.

Check out stretch's posts on iwsti. He ran the Ground Control assemblies in the front, and WRX struts hacked for regular Konis in the rear, so he has some seat time in it, and he has gotten rides in more cars than I have. (Note, not the same setup as getting GC assemblies at all four corners)

If you are worried about autoxing I would absolutely get the GC setup over the Ohlins FPSs... if you go with the FPSs you are stuck with stock style springs, so if you decide you want to go past 300 lb/in or whatever the stiffest springs are, you won't be able to.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:45 AM   #1293
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Yeah, I'm comparing it to what I vaguely remember of the stock WRX suspension, or comparing it to stock struts with Prodrive springs, or stock E36 M3. And it's less comfortable than those. But the STi is more harsh from the factory than a lot of cars.

Check out stretch's posts on iwsti. He ran the Ground Control assemblies in the front, and WRX struts hacked for regular Konis in the rear, so he has some seat time in it, and he has gotten rides in more cars than I have. (Note, not the same setup as getting GC assemblies at all four corners)

If you are worried about autoxing I would absolutely get the GC setup over the Ohlins FPSs... if you go with the FPSs you are stuck with stock style springs, so if you decide you want to go past 300 lb/in or whatever the stiffest springs are, you won't be able to.
Good info, thanks! I'll have to look up his posts on IW. That's another problem I have... There's only a couple of STI owners around that are active on the forums, and only 2 that AX. I'm the 2nd STi to AX regularly in the 2 years or so I've been doing it.

And yes, God, is the STI harsher from the factory than most! I knew this going in, though. It's tolerable around town, but when you're driving 2+ hours solo and you're getting tired...

I love AX and make 90%+ of our region's scheduled events (and travel to a few other regions, too), but I'm not worried about being hardcore competitive. But you are right, going with the Ohlins FPS severely limits my spring rate choices.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:30 AM   #1294
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SubieEngineer,
You really need to decide how serious you think you will be getting into auto-x or HPDE's (track days). The Ohlins FPS w/ RCE Black springs is a great choice but you must know that you will have some limitations. Adding to what Buttdyno said (spring rate limit), you will also not be able to adjust ride height with that setup and you may run into tire/strut clearance interference issues. There could be more that im missing.
But if you know your goals going in then this may not be a problem. I would throw on a set of camber plates up front and be done. But if you think you may want some more adjustability to help you grow with the sport then you may want to look at something else.
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:23 AM   #1295
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You really need to decide how serious you think you will be getting into auto-x or HPDE's (track days). The Ohlins FPS w/ RCE Black springs is a great choice but you must know that you will have some limitations. Adding to what Buttdyno said (spring rate limit), you will also not be able to adjust ride height with that setup and you may run into tire/strut clearance interference issues. There could be more that im missing.
But if you know your goals going in then this may not be a problem. I would throw on a set of camber plates up front and be done. But if you think you may want some more adjustability to help you grow with the sport then you may want to look at something else.
This is true... Right now, AX and (hopefully) HPDE are just hobbies. That's one of the things I don't like about the spring/strut combo is that I'm "stuck" with whatever I choose. COs will add in adjustability and, as you mentioned reduce fitment issues with wider wheels and tires (which I'm not too worried about, anyway, as I run in STU in AX).
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:44 AM   #1296
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I know so many folks that end up spending more money in the (not very) long term because they convinced themselves they didn't need all of the general adjustability that one DOES require. Adjusting ride height IS critical. You must be able to run 245/40/17 tires on 9" rims.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:35 AM   #1297
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Agreed, I made that mistake when I was modding my Spec V. Now I know better. Do it right the first time and you'll save more money in the end.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:51 AM   #1298
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^^^ thats how I feel, do it right from the begining.....Ill be getting coilovers soon and I have no clue on how to adjustment them to make them work right, from my DS days I was used to just making the struts as hard as possible and playing with pressures...........I guess Ill be asking/reading alot when I get them.....soon
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:57 AM   #1299
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FWIW, when I got the T2's they were setup near perfect out of the box. They came already assembled with the camber plates I wanted, and the ride height and dampening was already set on the "street" settings, but they gave me the changes needed for "track". The only changes I've made since then was lower the front ride height a bit (bought 600/500 springs) and increase the rear rebound by two clicks. I had a car that felt great right out of the box (bdi can attest to that ). It saved a lot of time not having to do a lot of setup changes and gave me a great starting point to make minor adjustments.
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Old 01-04-2010, 01:59 PM   #1300
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yeah most likely I will end up with the RC T2's that are fully asembled with plates..... that plus having them close by for support is really nice

I would still have to learn what the outcome would be from different adjustments, not just one knob anymore
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