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Old 10-01-2012, 09:39 PM   #2451
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The 2007 Limited STi came with the limited lip. You can buy the lip as an accessory from Subaru. This is a replica of said lip. If I'm understanding the rule incorrectly, I have no issues taking it off. I got it for next to nothing from a friend and like the way it looks.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:57 AM   #2452
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The 2007 Limited STi came with the limited lip. You can buy the lip as an accessory from Subaru. This is a replica of said lip. If I'm understanding the rule incorrectly, I have no issues taking it off. I got it for next to nothing from a friend and like the way it looks.
You have an '06 though, correct? I thought update/backdate only applied to *SP and above.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:38 AM   #2453
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All over a lip spoiler..

I run one daily, but I removed it for both National Events I took the car to just to avoid hassle. I would never contest something that lame lol
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:41 AM   #2454
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It's not the update/backdate allowance it's the factory accessory allowance.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:52 AM   #2455
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Here we go, time for some serious discussion on this game changing modification.

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Originally Posted by 2012 SCCA Solo Rulebook Section 14.2 Bodywork
F. Addition of spoilers, splitters, rear wings, bumper covers, valances,
side skirts, and non-functional sccops/vents is allowed provided that
either:

1. It is a production part which is standard or optional equipment of a
US model of the vehicle.

2. It is listed in the vehicle manufacturer’s US accessory catalog
for that vehicle for normal highway use. This does not allow for
parts sold through a manufacturer’s performance catalog (e.g.,
Ford Racing, HPD, MazdaSpeed, Mopar Performance, Mugen,
NISMO, SPT, TRD, etc).

Parts must be installed as directed by the manufacturer. Exact replicas
(including weight) from alternate sources are also permitted.

Looks to me like it fits item one. It doesn't say the a specific year, just says US model. I haven't fully looked into item two to see if it truly is an accessory for purchase or if it was just a part number for the 2007 Limited that can be ordered through Subaru parts. That could change the legality of it, although I believe the intent of the rule was to allow for lips/spoilers that come on various stock models to be used on other trim levels of the same model without it being an issue (S2k parts on another AP2 for example).

But then again if nobody in STU is going to protest the winning M3 for cams, then I think I'm good to go.

(If you're reading Tristan, just kidding. )
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:58 PM   #2456
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Josh, Ive driven an 04 (Vell's), 05 (Moon's), and 06 STi (yours and Byrd's) with various prep work done to them and your car is still the best handling overall. I havent driven Iman's 05 or a prepped 07 but the balance in your car is good. It is shocking that just the small tweaks we have done with just pressures and Shocks have made such a drastic change in performance.

How does your car feel vs Irish's car or any other STi that you have driven? The only thing I wanted to possibly try was to see how your car would react with the rear bar on full stiff. Next year FedEx is going to take a lot of elements from this year's course with the long and decreasing radius sweepers so we can try some testing.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:24 PM   #2457
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This is a little embarrassing, but I am getting lost on screen names to real people. Who is who?

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Old 10-03-2012, 01:31 AM   #2458
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So I've got this $200 AST coupon from the Peru National Tour that I don't think I will be using.......
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:59 AM   #2459
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The problem with comparing to Rob's car is that I drove it last year while he was doing some big bar testing. I hated it and I think I told him that. It wasn't bad, but it was a lot more pushy on throttle than my car is and I was just more used to mine I think. It was fast, but required a slightly different driving style. Based on the fact that Rob always changes stuff, I'm sure it's much better now.

I have also driven the Vehe's car, which drove well also. It was a little bit too hoppy in the rear on throttle when it was loaded mid-corner, but then again one of the shocks was going out. Not sure if the two are related, but drove well overall.

I don't think that more rear bar is the answer. From my limited knowledge I think it will just cause the inside rear to lift more, cause it to be looser on transistional stuff, and won't really help on steady state which is where we have the most push. Perhaps a bigger front bar (which I have), but I wasn't a huge fan of Rob's setup so I don't know. The front is a bish to change though and I'm lazy.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:39 PM   #2460
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The sway bar vs spring rate debate has been going on for years and that character is more than blue in the face. From my experience, its gotta be stiff springs/soft sways or soft springs/stiff sways. Both (ie stiff springs/stiff sways) doesnt work. Actually, it does work on small, tight courses but ill tailor this discussion to National style courses cause that what we see most of.

Josh, ive told you this a few times but in a nut shell, your car is fast and has been proven that it is fast. I really only want you to change your setup so you slow down. But on the real, the last time i drove your car was at last years NJ Pro. I commented on how pushy I thought your car was in the offsets coming back to the finish after the finish line but it did seem like the car was still pretty fast. I was .1 behind you and you PAX'd pretty high if I remember correctly. I hate steady state push and geared my setup to minimize that. Wish my car didnt break so we could have battled in our cars respectively. I think that is more of a driver style vs making the car faster to a certain extent. Our cars are close in setup, I run stiffer springs in the rear and a softer sway bar setting up front (my alignment is different to). I think my car has more steady state grip and front end grip than yours but is it faster? Who knows...you and Shane kicked my butt last year for the most part. Shane did ride with me once at a Blue crabs event on wet pavement and he mentioned that it felt like my car had more grip aswell. When we were comparing film, it always came down to driver mistake which cost me. Wish I was still living back east so we could battle and compare vids.

If you are thinking about putting a bigger front bar on (WL 27/29?), I would suggest that you also lower your spring rates...front and rear. Namers car was the best soft spring/stiff sway setup that I ever drove. We all know how fast that car was... Its your call man, if you wanna try different setups, I can help you with that. Will it help you and Shane bring home 1 and 2 at Nats? Who knows...Ive seen you 2 at your best with your current setup and know if you mirror that out in NE...milk will be drank!
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:06 PM   #2461
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Is the pitchstop considered an engine or tranny mount in ST? I know that under the Karen clarification it is considered a tranny mount in SP...

I ask because, if it is either then it is appears to be open following the latest fastrack...
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:20 PM   #2462
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My car has 550F/500R springs with the huge WL front bar set to 29 and the huge WL rear bar set full stiff (whatever that is supposed to be equivalent to). It this considered to be the "soft springs/stiff bars" setup?
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:32 PM   #2463
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My car has 550F/500R springs with the huge WL front bar set to 29 and the huge WL rear bar set full stiff (whatever that is supposed to be equivalent to). It this considered to be the "soft springs/stiff bars" setup?
I'd consider it soft/med spring to stiffy bars. lol

Any 04 STi guy's looking to get into a coilover setup? PM yazel
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:29 AM   #2464
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My car has 550F/500R springs with the huge WL front bar set to 29 and the huge WL rear bar set full stiff (whatever that is supposed to be equivalent to). It this considered to be the "soft springs/stiff bars" setup?
And clearly your setup is fast...or is it just the driver?

That's it: Rob/John H./Dan, we're all going to Blytheville next year and we all need to test each other's cars. Then we pick the best pieces from all of them and build the ultimate setup. Deal?
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:31 AM   #2465
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That's it: Rob/John H./Dan, we're all going to Blytheville next year and we all need to test each other's cars. Then we pick the best pieces from all of them and build the ultimate setup. Deal?
You're going to build an Evo?
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:32 AM   #2466
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:34 AM   #2467
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And clearly your setup is fast...or is it just the driver?

That's it: Rob/John H./Dan, we're all going to Blytheville next year and we all need to test each other's cars. Then we pick the best pieces from all of them and build the ultimate setup. Deal?
Why not Blytheville at the end of this month?

Then I have all winter to pick your brains...
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:05 AM   #2468
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My car has 550F/500R springs with the huge WL front bar set to 29 and the huge WL rear bar set full stiff (whatever that is supposed to be equivalent to). It this considered to be the "soft springs/stiff bars" setup?
Nope. I would consider this to be in that foggy area between the 2.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:41 AM   #2469
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And clearly your setup is fast...or is it just the driver?

That's it: Rob/John H./Dan, we're all going to Blytheville next year and we all need to test each other's cars. Then we pick the best pieces from all of them and build the ultimate setup. Deal?
Only if Blytheville will have an actual test and tune course, not two straights connected by a hairpin.
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Why not Blytheville at the end of this month?

Then I have all winter to pick your brains...
It's not looking like that will work for us. However, the St Louis Road Tour is looking like a possibility.

This last weekend I ran my car with both bars detached. The balance shifted to lots of oversteer, but felt really good. I'm not sure that it was faster though. Unfortunately I left the data card for my data logger at home, so I have no data to compare to.

So now I am thinking about going back to 500/400 with big bars again. We have two local events yet still this year to see how it goes. The problem is that I need to be like Whitener and have access to a nationals-esque site and have the time for virtually unlimited testing.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #2470
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Im 600/400 with WL bar stiff up front and mid out back, car great on Stl asphalt.
An evo instructor loved my set up, and paxed localy with it.
Will def be @ St L road tour- I love the higher speed events.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:49 PM   #2471
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Actually, I'm wrong. My front bar is set to 27MM.

I am still on the fence about the Blytheville event at the end of the month. Missing nationals is making me want to go...
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:29 PM   #2472
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Looking to simplify my life from an SM car, to ST car. Silly question alert: Is it theoretically possible that an '11+ WRX can be made quicker than an '11+ STI in STU, by virtue of lighter weight & more gear in 2nd? I realize diffs are inferior etc, but???

Excuse the wacky question, but searched & didn't find comparo.

Thx,

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Old 10-08-2012, 03:33 PM   #2473
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Looking to simplify my life from an SM car, to ST car. Silly question alert: Is it theoretically possible that an '11+ WRX can be made quicker than an '11+ STI in STU, by virtue of lighter weight & more gear in 2nd? I realize diffs are inferior etc, but???

Excuse the wacky question, but searched & didn't find comparo.

Thx,

George B.
I think this is as close as anyone's come.. which is to say, we haven't really seen one yet:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2196136&page=2

I only have my STX '03 for comparison but I think the diffs are wayyyyyy more important than the weight and gearing.
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:35 PM   #2474
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Looking to simplify my life from an SM car, to ST car. Silly question alert: Is it theoretically possible that an '11+ WRX can be made quicker than an '11+ STI in STU, by virtue of lighter weight & more gear in 2nd? I realize diffs are inferior etc, but???

Excuse the wacky question, but searched & didn't find comparo.

Thx,

George B.
Isn't the real question whether an 11 WRX can be faster than an old M3?

IIRC, Tim Herron was going to attempt an STU build with a '10 or '11 WRX, but I don't know how far he go. He also drove my car during that time and I think became, shall we say, disinterested.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:07 PM   #2475
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Isn't the real question whether an 11 WRX can be faster than an old M3?
Point well-taken... The courses did play a part this year, especially that West course. That build looked like the right direction (thx for the link, Butt Dyno). I wonder if he gave up because he thought it fruitless?
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