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Old 03-29-2006, 01:00 AM   #1
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I'm sitting here flipping through channels and come across a movie I'd not seen in years, 'Revenge'.

Now whats remarkable about this otherwise entirely unremarkable film is that as it was released in 1990 during a time and America very much different than today it stars Anthony Quin as a 'Mexican' which one might buy and he does a passable job at an accent. Then there is of course Kevin Costner in his perrineal role of the white knight.
But then there is Madeleine Stowe. She's supposed to be playing a latina and is doing so with some sort of really bad attempt at an accent and doing her best to look hispanic if not mexican. Never mind the fact thats she's whiter than Shelly Winters and in many scenes as I've watched so far loses her spanish accent then picks it back up and even worst for spells when talking with stress reverts to a southern accent of some sort.
This is just ridiculous!

Back in the day this was totally normal, expected, passable and wouldn't raise an eyebrow where as today folks are drooling over the likes of J-Lo, Eva Longoria, and Jessica Alba in the position of starring roles along with others though still not so many all thigns being relative.
Not all of the good ole days were so good or great and watching old & older movies reminds one of from where we've come.



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Kevin Costner .... Michael J. 'Jay' Cochran
Anthony Quinn .... Tiburon 'Tibby' Mendez
Madeleine Stowe .... Mireya Mendez

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Revenge (1990)

Michael "Jay" Michael "Jay" Cochran has just left the Navy after 12 years. He's not quite sure what he's going to do, except that he knows he wants a holiday. He decides to visit Tiburon Mendez, a powerful but shady Mexican businessman who he once flew to Alaska for a hunting trip. Arriving at the Mendez mansion in Mexico, he is immediately surprised by the beauty and youth of Mendez' wife Miryea. Their attraction to each other is undenyable, but Cochran is aware that Mendez is a powerful, vindictive, and very posessive man who does not tolerate betrayal.

Summary written by Murray Chapman {muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au}

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100485

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:02 AM   #2
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And Sean Young has a man's name and often looks like a man in "No Way Out," my favorite CostnAr movie by far. So what's your point?
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Quinn was Mexican.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:04 AM   #4
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Dude, what's with the GWB speech transcript in your thread title?

Back on topic - didn't costner's accent in robin hood last for about 42 seconds of film?
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Quinn was Mexican.
Thats why I'd buy it.
I have no idea what Quinn is, but thats not the point anyway.

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:11 AM   #6
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Thats why I'd buy it.
I have no idea what Quinn is, but thats not the point anyway.

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Well, I can't figure out what the hell the point is!
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:14 AM   #7
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He was born Antonio Rudolfo Oaxaca Quinn in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico to an Irish-Mexican father and a Mexican mother, a combination that would later allow him to play many different ethnicities. He grew up in the Boyle Heights neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. Quinn left school early (much later, he received his first high school diploma from Tucson High School in Tucson, Arizona in the 1990s), and was a prizefighter and a painter before becoming an actor.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:20 AM   #8
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And Sean Young has a man's name and often looks like a man in "No Way Out," my favorite CostnAr movie by far. So what's your point?
Yeah what wass that about?

But anyway the point is that why didn't they cast a real latina rather than have wite-out white Stowe do an awful job of mimicing a Mexcian accent?
At that time Maria Conchita Alonso was in the game, albeit moderately.
Now days this would not fly so easily such as say Nicolette Sheridan starring in the title role of 'Frida' or Kirsten Dunst cast in "Real Women Wear Curves 2" as 'Marisol DeConcepcion'.

Back in that day and times it was normal to see such craziness while now producers and audiences aremore open to seeing on screen what might they might not see at home.

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:26 AM   #9
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"Real Women Have Curves" was pretty much a high school film project, except without the acting and writing skills. But while we're on the subject of Latinacentric films, "Maria Full of Grace" was both heavy, poignant, and watchable.
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Yeah what wass that about?

But anyway the point is that why didn't they cast a real latina rather than have wite-out white Stowe do an awful job of mimicing a Mexcian accent?
At that time Maria Conchita Alonso was in the game, albeit moderately.
Now days this would not fly so easily such as say Nicolette Sheridan starring in the title role of 'Frida' or Kirsten Dunst cast in "Real Women Wear Curves 2" as 'Marisol DeConcepcion'.

Back in that day and times it was normal to see such craziness while now producers and audiences aremore open to seeing on screen what might they might not see at home.

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You mean like Pacino playing Tony Montana?
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Maria Full of Grace was good.

Now imagine that movie starring again Kirsten Dunst along with Terri Hatcher and Nicollette Sheridan all speaking spanglish and affecting weak spanish stylized accents.

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:32 AM   #12
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You mean like Pacino playing Tony Montana?
Yep, but aleast he could sell it and did the damn thing.
He did it again in Carlito's Way.
Hell for all I know he might be some part spanish like Emilio Estevez or Cameron Diaz.

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Oh, I've been with you from the start. I'm still amazed at some of the blatant ignorance and downright racism of Hollywood way into the 90's. Crocodile Dundee comes immediatley to mind, with the pimp, the chauffeur, the "city characters" at the bar, etc.

Not that we're 100% in the clear, but even 10 - 15 short years ago, it was, as you say, craziness.

Indy plug 2, now with 100% more Crocodile Dundee tie-in: Rabbit Proof Fence. You've probably seen it.
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^^^ If that leap from "whitey plays latina" to "Burn Hollywood, Burn" (Public Enemy, Fear of a Black Planet, 1994) was too abrupt, I guess I see your original observation of Stowe playing "Little Brown Sister" a bit patronizing and/or fearful on the filmmakers' part, of using an actual Messican chica for the role. Meh.
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Oh, I've been with you from the start. I'm still amazed at some of the blatant ignorance and downright racism of Hollywood way into the 90's. Crocodile Dundee comes immediatley to mind, with the pimp, the chauffeur, the "city characters" at the bar, etc.

Not that we're 100% in the clear, but even 10 - 15 short years ago, it was, as you say, craziness.

Indy plug 2, now with 100% more Crocodile Dundee tie-in: Rabbit Proof Fence. You've probably seen it.
don't forget the asians taking pictures.

no good 80s movie forgot to make fun of asians and their stereotypes.

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Oh, I've been with you from the start. I'm still amazed at some of the blatant ignorance and downright racism of Hollywood way into the 90's. Crocodile Dundee comes immediatley to mind, with the pimp, the chauffeur, the "city characters" at the bar, etc.

Not that we're 100% in the clear, but even 10 - 15 short years ago, it was, as you say, craziness.

Indy plug 2, now with 100% more Crocodile Dundee tie-in: Rabbit Proof Fence. You've probably seen it.

Yeah it comes up very often in 80's films and old Steven Segal flicks too, of which I've been watching alot as of late.
But anyway I'm just real happy about today and how stuff sure has come along way all things being relative.
Hell today on FX they had 'Thief' starring Andre Brauer who's Black as one can get featured with a white wife and as guardian of her daughter by a previous marriage.
This all would never have gotten a greenlight in the 90's or prior.

Progress FTW, for everyone.

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Did you get to watch Thief today?
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I really want to see that, but we're not real TV hounds and as such, have micro 12 channel cable. FTL.

I'll have to wait for the DVD's, which at this rate, will be out in a month or so.
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Did you get to watch Thief today?
Yeah, I'd forgotten it was coming on but good ole TiVO yanked it for me.
I watched it twice over.
Interesting story premise and the cast of charachters & dynamics is even more interesting.

Andre Brauer, Linda Hamilton (aged but still very attractive), that Black guy with the perpetually dry lips from that old late '90's NYC cop show (not NYPD Blue) that got canned because all the stars wanted raises and NBC said five you, and it's got the spanish dude from Traffic who played the gay mexican hitman, as well Michael Rooker (!) dug up from who knows where and another latin guy who like three years ago was the lead in Kingpin.

It's an eclectic cast of has beens, but at one time or another they all had quality projects. It remains to be seen if they can pull it off though Andre Brauer in specific is cast very well as the lead & brains of a crew of what look to be neer do wells.

If The Shield and Over There are any indicator then this should at the leats be well written.

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Cool. I recorded it myself and look forward to seeing it tomorrow. BTW, I'm in the middle of season 3 of The Shield and love it.
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I really like Andre Braugher when he's being low key. I didn't always like him in his intensity role on Homicide.

Linda Hamilton was always on my short list. In fact, I briefly dated a friend (mistake) that looks somewhat like her, with less mannish.

T1: Soft, passive Linda/Sarah, needs Kyle:



T2: Bristling she-devil (with excellent combat grip I might add *swoon*):



And we'll just skip over all that Beauty and the Beast business.
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Agreed, Andre walks a fine line with that intensity thing.
Kind of like Avery Brooks.

Yeah I've always been a fan too.
Did you see her with Pierce Brosnan as a MILF in that movie 'Volcano', or whatever it was called filmed out in the southwest Mt. St Helen style disaster flick.
I actually bought it on VHS ages ago.
My favorite of her from Terminator is of course the buffed out crazy intense version.
As a factoid her identical twin sister did all the stunts for that film while Linda kicked back to do stills and dialogue.

Terma-bitch rawks and likely she's lesbian too but down for the posthole diggin', manually!

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