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Old 03-30-2006, 12:27 PM   #1
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Default When's the new AP and StreetTuner coming out?

Trey's letter states that some great new features are to be added to the Accessport/Streetuner software in 2006.

I'm holding off on buying one... but unfortunately I am starting to fill up my spare room with exhaust parts and other Subaru Paraphenelia.

Anyone hear when the new version is coming out?
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Old 03-30-2006, 03:28 PM   #2
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this is no knock on cobb... but be wary of release dates!!! if you have all the parts, just go get a protune with the current ap.

i'm pretty sympathetic to manufacturers... unforeseen problems come up and you have to take care of them before you release the new product, but it just sucks as a consumer to not get a firm release date...

so if you have the itch now, why not scratch it?
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Old 03-30-2006, 07:10 PM   #3
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Even if a new version is coming out, COBB will release an update for it so why not just buy the ST now, like ^^^ said.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:52 AM   #4
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Even if a new version is coming out, COBB will release an update for it so why not just buy the ST now, like ^^^ said.
I haven't heard any confirmation on 'how' COBB will release the update. If I buy the AP and StreetTuner now... would I also have to spend more money buying the upgraded unit a month later?

Spending 1000.00 for something that is supposed to be 'replaced' this year seems hard to swallow, especially if it costs 500.00 more to buy the upgraded version.

If COBB sells products like TurboXS, most likely you will HAVE to pay for the new version if it truly is a new product.
I guess I haven't heard any hard evidence on how the pricing model will be for the new version for this year.
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Old 03-31-2006, 12:18 PM   #5
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If it is a firmware update for the AccessPort unit, then it should be made available as a download. Worst case senario on a firmware update would be that we send our APs back to Cobb so they can update the firmware.

I could be wrong here, but I don't think it will be a totally new product that will render the current AP obsolete.
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Old 04-01-2006, 01:03 PM   #6
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It would be nice if they at least posted info that states their policy on how they handle future upgrades, etc..

As with any type of software... you are always given a chance to 'upgrade' for a discounted price... to provide an incentive for loyal customers.
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Old 04-01-2006, 03:46 PM   #7
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The Street Tuner has an automatic update so when a new version of the software comes out, it will update it for you.

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Old 04-01-2006, 05:01 PM   #8
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From what I heard the "New AP" will have new features built into it which can not be implemented into the "Old AP". I want to wait for the "New AP" to be released but I doubt that my patience will last long as Cobb is notoriously late in releasing anything.
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Old 04-01-2006, 05:15 PM   #9
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Well, currently the AP cannot read boost above 18.somwthing psi. Maybe the new AP can. But what I really want is for street tuner to be able to read above 18.something PSI.
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Old 04-01-2006, 06:17 PM   #10
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The streettuner can read above 18..kind of... you just have to subtract atmospheric from the absolute pressure.. just so ya know.
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Old 04-02-2006, 08:27 PM   #11
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The streettuner can read above 18..kind of... you just have to subtract atmospheric from the absolute pressure.. just so ya know.

I think he meant... it won't display above 18.

Too much math hurts my brain.
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Old 04-02-2006, 10:52 PM   #12
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Its not that the AP can't read boost above 18, its that the ECU can not read boost above that point. You can see this with any logging software as well such as Tari Data Logging, so I doubt that will be a new feature.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:10 AM   #13
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I think he meant... it won't display above 18.

Too much math hurts my brain.
You must love figuring out injector duty cycle then
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:02 PM   #14
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inejctor whose cycle??

j/k

just show me a % load on the injectors and I'll figure out the rest.
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:16 PM   #15
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i would suspect that the most inportant upgrade to a AP would hopefully be a usb port no more serial comport crap

iirc the 18 psi limit is the 2.5 bar map sensor thats built into the car
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Old 04-04-2006, 01:09 AM   #16
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i would suspect that the most inportant upgrade to a AP would hopefully be a usb port no more serial comport crap

iirc the 18 psi limit is the 2.5 bar map sensor thats built into the car
I completely agree -- serial ports are definitely a thing of the past.

It looks really bad for Cobb, when a hobbyist (admittedly a very talented and knowledgeable one) can come up with a (free) USB-based setup (http://www.tactrix.org) before they do.

Quite frankly, with the tactrix cable and the fast-developing open-source tools, the AP is going to become irrelevant if they don't boot-strap their technology up to the next level.
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Old 04-04-2006, 02:12 AM   #17
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Cobb's strength will be in packaging and GUI of the complete tuning suite and tools.
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Old 04-04-2006, 06:25 AM   #18
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Aftermarket map sensor support please.

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Old 04-04-2006, 11:40 AM   #19
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Cobb's strength will be in packaging and GUI of the complete tuning suite and tools.

I completely AGREE!!! I think their GUI for the software will be a major improvement. I think they will also be using a better 3D approach in displaying fuel maps and other data in realtime.
I also think Cobb will be improving their realtime logging and tuning features and how it is displayed on the dashboard type display.

Arg! Hurry up and get that new release ready!!
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Old 04-04-2006, 02:02 PM   #20
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i would suspect that the most inportant upgrade to a AP would hopefully be a usb port no more serial comport crap

iirc the 18 psi limit is the 2.5 bar map sensor thats built into the car
I think the reason the serial port is there is becasue the AP talks to the car via serial.

Can a USB device be both a Master and a slave via the same port?
When hooked up to a PC the AP would be the slave. Then when you went to reflash the AP would be the master to a USB to OBDII (Serial) adapter.

I guess worst case you would need two USB ports on the AP.
[PC] >--(USB to USB)--> [AP] >--(USB to serial)--> [OBDII]


As far as the boost display limitation is concerned... The stock MAP sensor is good for well over 18.3 psi. It's just that the Subaru Select Monitor (SSM)protocol clips the output when spitting out the data. The ECU itself reads higher that 18.3psi.



If you want to start a wishlist then lets get some real things covered.

1. Reading of every CEL and readiness monitors.
2. Display any SSM value (speed, coolant temp, etc.)
3. Support for larger realtime/basemaps.
4. simple datalogging (2 or 3 parameters for a couple of minutes)
5. CEL enable/disable control from the AP itself (scroll through a list of CELs and mark it then commit the changes to do the neccessary flash. This might need to apply changes to one of the stored basemaps and then flash that edited basemap)
6. polyphonic ring tones
7. automatic in door ice despenser
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Old 04-04-2006, 04:35 PM   #21
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If you want to start a wishlist then lets get some real things covered.

1. Reading of every CEL and readiness monitors.
2. Display any SSM value (speed, coolant temp, etc.)
3. Support for larger realtime/basemaps.
4. simple datalogging (2 or 3 parameters for a couple of minutes)
5. CEL enable/disable control from the AP itself (scroll through a list of CELs and mark it then commit the changes to do the neccessary flash. This might need to apply changes to one of the stored basemaps and then flash that edited basemap)
6. polyphonic ring tones
7. automatic in door ice despenser
I like your idea. I to shall jump on the band wagon. Adding to your list are


8. A cradle to allow you to view the display while the vehicle is in motion.
9. A more secure method to hold the plug to the OBD II port.
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Old 04-04-2006, 07:39 PM   #22
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I like your idea. I to shall jump on the band wagon. Adding to your list are


8. A cradle to allow you to view the display while the vehicle is in motion.
9. A more secure method to hold the plug to the OBD II port.

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If you want to start a wishlist then lets get some real things covered.

1. Reading of every CEL and readiness monitors.
2. Display any SSM value (speed, coolant temp, etc.)
3. Support for larger realtime/basemaps.
4. simple datalogging (2 or 3 parameters for a couple of minutes)
5. CEL enable/disable control from the AP itself (scroll through a list of CELs and mark it then commit the changes to do the neccessary flash. This might need to apply changes to one of the stored basemaps and then flash that edited basemap)
6. polyphonic ring tones
7. automatic in door ice despenser

....and for the damned $$$ we pay.....how about a cable that doesn't feel like it cost 2(it likely DID )....and maybe some way to easily install it semi-permanently so that it isn't glaringly apparently installed.

Trey....ya cuttin too many corners, here.
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Old 04-04-2006, 09:42 PM   #23
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I think the reason the serial port is there is becasue the AP talks to the car via serial.
This is exactly correct.

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The stock MAP sensor is good for well over 18.3 psi. It's just that the Subaru Select Monitor (SSM)protocol clips the output when spitting out the data. The ECU itself reads higher that 18.3psi.
Yep, we're bit limited basically by the SSM protocol. The method to remedy this, as others have mentioned, is to manually calculate using Absolute Pressure - Atm(Baro) Pressure to get your Relative Pressure. This is something that is(will be) implemented into the StreetTUNER logging.

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Trey....ya cuttin too many corners, here.
Sorry you feel that way, it was never the intention. We simply wanted to offer MORE for the same price the only other product on the market for a ECU reflash was offering. While I don't think we cut corners, and yes there's a lot more $ in the cable than you may think, I admittedly am not an I.D. (Industrial Design) specialist so the cable "feel" leaves a little to be desired. I'll make sure to add some Tungsten ballast in the next cable for you so it has a more substantial feel to it. j/k
And to touch on the comment about the OBD cable holding better, I wish that were the case too. OBD-II spec is for a friction connection, not a clip attachment which would be NICE. We use a Delphi OBD-II connector housing, which is obviously made exact to the standards. But I agree, I too wish the standards specified something a bit more secure.

When we designed the AccessPORT, it was a huge gamble for us. I put everything we could into it, by way of resources and capital. We could barely afford all the injection mold tooling and our first production run of parts. Obviously I had hopes it would succeed but I had not anticipated how popular it would become. For a first design with extraordinarily limited resources, I think we did a decent job. Its a stable platform, offers a unique Realtime Map switching feature, and has lasted 2+ years in the market. Does it have some quirks and things we'd like to change? Absolutely. What product doesn't?

We now have the opportunity to develop a new AccessPORT and have a little more experience and resources available to us. We have no plans to announce any release dates until we're confident of hitting them, which means we'll be completely out of the test phase. For me to even make a speculative guess at this point would be asking for trouble.

So, while perhaps quirky and limited to some, the current AccessPORT does its job well. We have no intentions of rushing anything new to market and potentially breaking what isn't currently broken. And honestly, at the end of the day a Stage1, Stage2, etc map on the new AccessPORT is going to make the exact same power as it does on the current AccessPORT. Sure, the new one will have some extra wizz-bang features and remove some current limitations but it'll still flash the same data onto the same ECU and make the same power.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB
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Trey....I have a $49(retail) Actron OBDII scanner that has a GREAT OBDII plug/cable that is almost impossible to dislodge unintentionally and 'feels'(almost) like an industrial tool.......................................
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honestly, at the end of the day a Stage1, Stage2, etc map on the new AccessPORT is going to make the exact same power as it does on the current AccessPORT. Sure, the new one will have some extra wizz-bang features and remove some current limitations but it'll still flash the same data onto the same ECU and make the same power.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB
I'm mostly interested in it for hopefully curing the current limitation on Basemap filesize in street tuner It would be nice to make any/all changes I want in the basemap.
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