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Old 04-03-2006, 08:58 AM   #1
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Default Landmark Education/Forum

has anyone heard about this?

http://www.landmarkeducation.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Forum

http://skepdic.com/landmark.html

A good friend of mine went to it with his GF (at the time) in Perth, and was amazed at how much it did for him.

he suggested that i look into it since it seems that i have issues letting go of experiences from my past. I know it sounds suspicious, and that's why I'm asking.

Looking and asking around, it seems like people are sharply divided. People who have gone to it say that it was one of the best things they have done. the skeptics won't have anything to do with it.

I'd greatly appreciate it if we can keep this civil. jokes are one thing, but let's talk like adults.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:17 AM   #2
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my noobness requires CN's in order to garner any coherant response.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:23 AM   #3
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Its a cult, gil. Honestly.

I had a friend's mother who was actually addicted to it. Its nothing new, the ideas and advice, but they repeat it and repeat it until its smashed into your brain and you feel all confident and happy. So you want to keep going back. It turns into a kind of drug, you want to feel the way you did when you left the forum. But it doesn't actually do anything or change anything.

And they keep calling you. They make sure you're coming back. They call when you don't come, repeatedly.

As far as cults go, its not a bad one, they just make you spend lots of money and harass you to keep going. They wont get you to do anything too bad.

Eventually, my friend's mom figured it out and quit. They still call her, and she gave them a LOT of money over time.

CN: Its Scientology for the masses.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:32 AM   #4
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david koresh + tony robbins = landmark education
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:34 AM   #5
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david koresh + tony robbins = landmark education
don't know either one.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:37 AM   #6
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koresh=waco, robbins=toothy motivational speaker.
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:37 AM   #7
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:52 AM   #8
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the one cool thing i took away from my conversation with my buddy was that how our past holds us back.

liek i said in my OP, i have some issues with letting go of my past. How one of my ex's treated me still tweaks me to this day, 5 year later.
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:50 PM   #9
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the one cool thing i took away from my conversation with my buddy was that how our past holds us back.

liek i said in my OP, i have some issues with letting go of my past. How one of my ex's treated me still tweaks me to this day, 5 year later.
You need to join the Army and toughen up, not become more of a sissy with this hippy brainwash training.
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:59 PM   #10
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You need to join the Army and toughen up, not become more of a sissy with this hippy brainwash training.
been there, done that. thanks for your suggestion anyway.
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Ok, now I'm being bugged by casual associate friends who are saying that these seminars are 'life changing' and I have to 'go. The whole thing smacks of self-help cult to me and some quick googling bolsters that belief.

Has anyone here heard of this Landmark Education biz? Does anyone know anyone who has been brainwashed/drained of their life savings or actually been helped by the seminars?

http://www.motherjones.com/media/200...-65-breakdowns

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Though it's hardly a secret, Landmark does not advertise that it is the buttoned-down reincarnation of the ultimate '70s self-actualization philosophy, est. Erhard Seminars Training was founded by Werner Erhard, a former used car salesman who'd changed his name from Jack Rosenberg, moved to Northern California, and dabbled in Dale Carnegie, Zen, and Scientology before seizing upon the idea that you, and only you, are responsible for your own happiness or unhappiness, success or failure. Est's marathon Transformation sessions were legendary for their confrontational tactics (Erhard calling his students "********"), inscrutable platitudes ("What is, is, and what ain't, ain't"), and the pressure put on participants to bring in new recruits for the next cycle of seminars.

In 1985, Erhard changed est's name to the innocuous-sounding The Forum. Amid controversy over his convoluted tax records, he left the country in 1991 and slid into obscurity. But before he did, he sold the company's "technology" to his former employees, who used it to create The Landmark Forum. Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is Landmark's CEO.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:34 PM   #12
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While not exactly the same thing, I had a friend in high school who went through Lifespring, and came out weird. He was a crazy zealot about it, and we stopped being friends shortly thereafter.
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Ok, now I'm being bugged by casual associate friends who are saying that these seminars are 'life changing' and I have to 'go. The whole thing smacks of self-help cult to me and some quick googling bolsters that belief.

Has anyone here heard of this Landmark Education biz? Does anyone know anyone who has been brainwashed/drained of their life savings or actually been helped by the seminars?

http://www.motherjones.com/media/200...-65-breakdowns
I know a pretty successful couple who both say the seminar was "life-changing", "amazing", etc. Considering they're both independently financially successful, seems like it *might* be worth looking into? IDK, I just assume you'd be in a room full or weirdos at those seminars.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:41 PM   #14
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it's all bull****. That's all I got.
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There is a free intro 3 hr class where I'm sure they try to give you the hard sell, I'm sort of curious and might check it out, but worried I'll get roped into the cult 'Simpsons' style

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Looks like creepy cult ****. Which is probably exactly what some desperate people are looking for.

Alternative: drink more.
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No mention of therapy? Do yourself a favor and find a therapist you can connect with prior to going to one of these things.
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Looks like creepy cult ****. Which is probably exactly what some desperate people are looking for.

Alternative: drink more.
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did the first stage of it, the 3 day seminar;
it's actually pretty interesting, psychologically speaking.


the orginal est training stuff is facinating and most of this is really just mental masturbation, but that is what we need sometimes.

the scam comes in when they make you feel like you need to keep coming back and leading groups and paying more money to "keep your head in the conversation"

BULL. ****.

after the first seminar, 'the landmark forum'
do not sign up for anything else.
if you pay close enough attention to what they say and what happens, then you realize that ANYTHING else after the fact is just fluff - even in their own eyes.

so go if you want
just don't sign up for anything else.

they use a lot of common words with meaning very specific to the course

that you may not be used to so I'll try to brief you off the top of my head:


the strange meanings apply, but can seem unusual
this specific use of words is supposed to help you gain a distinction for certain things, such as the distinction between making a decision and making a choice. they call this 'technology'

another thing is what they call your 'strong suits' - basically the things about your past that lead you to who you are today. believe it or not, this makes the whole thing worth it.
this isn't touchy freely stuff, although most times, it can seem like it.

this is digging deep into your own brain to figure out who you really are and why - honestly, I think this should all be done under the supervision of psychologists, but it seems to work out nonetheless.

part of this works better if you just flow with it and enjoy the ride

just remember, anything beyond is pretty much a cult - they, like everyone else want money

they do happen to sell a very interesting product though

if someone who did it is suggesting it to you, it's probably for a good reason, so I recommend going for it.

just don't become a slave to it.
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That's a really honest & straightforward answer. Thanks
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