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Old 04-06-2006, 11:48 AM   #1
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My budget has decreased in order for me to comfortably afford/mod the car I purchase, I live in Maine so I was thinking of going with a 2002-2005 WRX. I have heard about the controversial transmission topic, some people drive very hard and say they have not had a problem, others say they have had a ton however the 04-05 transmission is the strongest even over the 2006. Well I like to mod, I plan on it with whatever car I get however only to a certain extent. I was wondering about Cobb Stage 2, not just the power it makes but the wear of the car.

I have been told that with owning a 04-05 WRX with Cobb Stage 2, that I am welcoming transmission problems because it can't really hold the power. Now Cobb tunning claims 285hp to the crank right? Translating into 235whp? Isn't that what an STi makes stock? I mean I have driven stock WRX's and if that is the gain then WHOA, I could definately be happy with that, some other minor bolt ons and some cosmetics but is going S2 risky when owning a WRX that you don't want to have to be in the shop fixing expensive parts? I won't be driving the car like a moron and launching it however I also won't be driving it like a Camry
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:54 AM   #2
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from what i understand everything can more then handle the power...i have stage 2 and did alot of talking to many people...including a subie tech who said there is nothing to worry about...the tranny and clutch and what not can handle the power...infact it can handle alot more it will just wear out faster...ever car has a different personality...now i cant say that yours wont wear faster then mine or the other guys but from what ive heard ur safe with stage 2 for as long as you have the car...
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:59 AM   #3
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:33 PM   #4
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I plan on keeping the car for a while and I needed a safe alternative to buying a used EVO, I live in Maine and I wanted to reduce the cost of the car itself, buy something cheaper and be happy with it and some mods, but I have heard horror stories of glass WRX transmissions.
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Old 04-06-2006, 12:46 PM   #5
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like i said everyone has a different clutch...i would bet ull be ok...my buddy has stock clutch and tranny and runs 300whp on 18.5 boost...but thats just him...u should be fine...its the setup that i run and i CAN NOT afford to have to stuff break
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:45 PM   #6
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yeah i heard you have to really beat on it like launch it a ton in order to break the tranny. ive been running stage 2 for a while and havent see any issues yet. But obvisouly wear and tear does happen faster than stock but its to be expected.
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Old 04-06-2006, 03:16 PM   #7
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Stage 2 is definitely fast, but it is certainly no STI.

A Stg 2 wrx (02-05) Should be making around 220whp (I think) whereas a STI should be making more like 240whp(I think). Not to mention the power curve is a little stronger in the STI and the torque curve is MUCH stronger in the STI, and unfortunately, you butt dyno generally reads torque. So you won't be beating any STI's with stg2 2.0 liter.

I got a ride in my buddies STi the other day, 04 with a front mount...alls I can say is DAMN! That thing is fast! My car is fast, but not like that.

Still though, I think you will be heavily impressed with the power, especially the difference between stock and stg2. I'd say go for it! Its still better than an evo.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:17 PM   #8
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I plan on keeping the car for a while and I needed a safe alternative to buying a used EVO, I live in Maine and I wanted to reduce the cost of the car itself, buy something cheaper and be happy with it and some mods, but I have heard horror stories of glass WRX transmissions.
Buy a used STi then, they are about the same price but the STi has alot better AWD system. Not only that people push that tranny to 400whp+ and they seem to handle it with out a problem.

I have a 02 WRX thatís stage 2 for about 20k now (85k total on the car) and have no significant tranny problems(hard to get into 1rst while moving but I think some better tranny fluid will help me out there). The 04-05 tranny did get stronger and people realized that reving it up to 5g and dropping the clutch from ever street light is a horrible idea. Drive like a sane person and remember clutches are cheaper then tranny and you should be fine with any WRX.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:33 PM   #9
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I am up over 50,000 miles on the clock and have been stg 2 since before 30K. It's been 3 years and no problems period let alone any related to the stg 2 upgrade. I definitely don't baby the car and use the speed daily. Aggressive launches are only as needed which is not every day or even one per week. It's been reliable as a stock car for me while providing decent mileage and quite a few grins. Oh yes, the old girl can still make me smile.....
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Old 04-06-2006, 05:05 PM   #10
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Stg 2 for over 30,000 miles with no problems, but then again, I treat my car like I want to keep it around for a while, if you know what I mean.

This might seem like a generalization, but I think most will agree: until you get into Stage 4 territory, reliability is mostly determined by A) driving habits, and B) maintenance.

At the higher power levels, you start to have to worry about components spontaneously failing. Of course, catastrophic failure can happen to anyone - hell, you could be stock - but it's more unlikely at lower power levels.
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:09 PM   #11
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I have been stg 2 for a long while and I have 23k and 0 problems. However, I drive fairly conservatively but don't hesitate to have some spirited driving. I would definetly not be concerned with worrying about the tranny breaking down, unless you drive like an idiot. Also, my tranny still feels like it was when I drove her off the lot.
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:20 PM   #12
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So you won't be beating any STI's with stg2 2.0 liter.
Its a DAMN close event to say the least. Easily a drivers race...

Power at 3.5k doesn't help you at 5k....
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:37 PM   #13
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I can't afford an STi, I will be comming home from training ready to put a certain amount down on a car and I want to have space to breath financially and mod, I am going back to school again next year once training is done and as much as I would love an STi/EVO I need to think of my wallet, it will be alot easier to manage a say a $13000 loan balance over 60 months than it will a $19,000 loan balance over 60 months. Plus I don't think the WRX ride will be as annoying, and they handle pretty good too, I think I'd be happy with coilovers/WRX with Cobb S2.
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Old 04-06-2006, 07:08 PM   #14
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Its a DAMN close event to say the least. Easily a drivers race...

Power at 3.5k doesn't help you at 5k....

Yep, agreed, it's a drivers race and they will have one extra chance to screw it up.
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Old 04-06-2006, 07:26 PM   #15
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Yep, agreed, it's a drivers race and they will have one extra chance to screw it up.

haha, what is the speed at redline in 5th?
more like, sti's will need to shift quicker/sooner.
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:36 PM   #16
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Wow, does everyone really think that if the drivers were perfectly equal, a stg 2 wrx has a chance against an STI? I really think the STI will beat it everytime, and by at least a few car lengths each time for these reasons:
STI has much better, broader torque curve
STI has shorter gearing
STI I believe still dyno's more whp than the average stg 2 2.0liter

I might have to set up a poll.
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:43 PM   #17
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ur are right...as long as the sti driver is as good as the wrx the wrx cannot win...the sti has more whp stock and way more tq stock then the stg2 wrx...but put a stg2 on the sti...WOO WOO
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:50 PM   #18
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id like to see a stock STI run the new cobb stg.2 06 WRX's (with the 2.5l engines also) ...

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Old 04-06-2006, 09:59 PM   #19
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Wow, does everyone really think that if the drivers were perfectly equal, a stg 2 wrx has a chance against an STI? I really think the STI will beat it everytime, and by at least a few car lengths each time for these reasons:
STI has much better, broader torque curve
STI has shorter gearing
STI I believe still dyno's more whp than the average stg 2 2.0liter

I might have to set up a poll.
A: the shorter gearing actually hurts the STi in a drag race. You have to shift more.

B: The WRX weighs less. A lot less.

It's a drivers race.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:02 PM   #20
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I went stage 2 around 15,000 miles, I now have 50,000 on my 04 and haven't had a single issue. Stage 2 and stock are night and day differences, and a great way to learn how to drive the car before going bigger, which I soon plan to do.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:24 PM   #21
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Wow, does everyone really think that if the drivers were perfectly equal, a stg 2 wrx has a chance against an STI? I really think the STI will beat it everytime, and by at least a few car lengths each time for these reasons:
STI has much better, broader torque curve
STI has shorter gearing
STI I believe still dyno's more whp than the average stg 2 2.0liter

I might have to set up a poll.
The STi runs 12.9-13.3 and the regular WRX about 13.1 -13.4 respectively in the 1/4. The STi has a stronger launch...take that away, damn close.

On a roll however, they are NEAR equals.

BROADER TORQUE CURVES DON'T MEAN MUCH IN A RACE....YOU'RE ALWAYS AT HIGH RPMS, again except for the launch....

They have 10-20 more whp...but are heavier. Again, COUNTLESS roll-ons have been done...all with the same result...dead even.

Out of a slow corner, or from a dig...STi all the way...on a 40 mph roll...absolute drivers race...

We don't think...we know...

What the heck do people think power at 3.5k gets you in a contest where the rpms never drop below 4500???
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I might have to set up a poll.
A poll??? Just look at the 1/4 mile times....

STi's are slightly faster, but have better launch. 2 tenths is close enough to be a drivers race!!!

You have the #'s....why do you need a poll???

The 15 times I've rolled on with my neighbors STi and have had our doors locked together isn't going to be affected by some kind of pole...
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PLEASE...everyone...

Go to Cobb's website and look at the graphs for a stock STi vs. a Stage II 2.0l.

Then come back and still try to say the STi has such stronger low-end...

Hint: They're NEAR equals everywhere.... The STi has like 10 ft-lbs on the 2.0 at lower RPMs...

Misinformation around here is great...
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PLEASE...everyone...

Go to Cobb's website and look at the graphs for a stock STi vs. a Stage II 2.0l.

Then come back and still try to say the STi has such stronger low-end...

Hint: They're NEAR equals everywhere.... The STi has like 10 ft-lbs on the 2.0 at lower RPMs...

Misinformation around here is great...
Add a ported TD04 and a tune to that 2.0L, and things get even more interesting from low RPMs.
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Add a ported TD04 and a tune to that 2.0L, and things get even more interesting from low RPMs.

Even STi owners will tell you a TUNED 2.0l will show them their tales!
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