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Old 04-07-2006, 04:04 PM   #1
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Question TOYO Proxes T1R

How do you think is it a good idea to change stock 225/45R17 Bridgestone Potenza RE070 with 235/45R17 TOYO Proxes T1R ? Is it a good choice for my 2005 STi or should I look for something else?

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Old 04-07-2006, 05:06 PM   #2
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What are you looking for in changing tires. They will definitely not have as much grip, they will probably have longer treadwear, and they would probably also ride softer. Just liek the OEM tires you can forget about drivin in snow but they look like they'd be much better in the wet/rain.
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Old 04-07-2006, 05:26 PM   #3
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I still want a good grip like RE070 has (track and slalom sometimes) but with better wet/rain characteristics. I have about 50% left on my stock, want to sell them and make an "upgrade" to new and a bit wider tires = 235, like JDM STi has
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Old 04-07-2006, 05:38 PM   #4
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I can vouche that the T1Rs are very good it the rain Love mine man.
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Old 04-07-2006, 05:41 PM   #5
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well if you want toyo performance that is even great in the rain you should go with the proxes4. I think you should use the T1Rs as summer tires.
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Old 04-07-2006, 06:17 PM   #6
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I'm talking about summer tires ONLY! But it is raining quite often
T1Rs good in the rain, OK... but how about cornering on dry for example? Will I have much less grip then now with RE070? I mean how can I found something not the same but very close to RE070 + still a bit better on the wet road.
BTW is 225 > 235 really makes a big difference?

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Old 04-07-2006, 08:59 PM   #7
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perhaps look at falken 452 - their upgrade/replacement for the 451
it's Falken's competition for the T1R, it has a stronger sidewall and good dry performance and great rain performance

The 452 is going to be heavier than the T1R if that is a consideration but the extra weight goes to reinforcement of the sidewalls
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Old 04-08-2006, 04:12 AM   #8
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Does T1R has so weak sidewall? Maybe S-03 or TOYO PROXES RA1 then?
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:09 AM   #9
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bridgestone has discontinued the s-03's from what i hear, i just got a set of t1r's and love em
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Old 07-13-2006, 11:08 AM   #10
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There are only a handful of street tires that can match the RE070's in performance. The T1R's are not one of them. You would want to look at:
Falken Azenis RT615
Advan Neova
RE070 (you can get them from tirerack or buy take offs)
Hankook RS2 (pushing it on that one)
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Old 07-13-2006, 01:15 PM   #11
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Also might want to look into Kumho Mx's....
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Old 07-13-2006, 01:38 PM   #12
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I've got the T1-R's on my STi currently and I am NOT impressed at all. Rain performance is good but Dry is definitely a BIG step down from the stock tires. I am getting rid of these and getting a better replacement tire.
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:28 PM   #13
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I think my Falken Sports are fine in the rain, and every bit as good in the dry as stock RE070s. Advan Neovas are supposed to be even better but cost a lot more. If money is no object I'd consider the Advans. Might also consider Toyo RA-1s which are basically race tires for the rain but only 100 treadwear.
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:52 PM   #14
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I went to Les Schwab yesterday and they said the T1-R's were pretty good, that people here are using them on some bimmers at PIR and that overall they are a good rain tire and have alot of grip in the dry. They are biased of course being a dealer, but the tire seems like it should be quite good as a daily driver. We get lots of rainy days here so that is a big concern for me. I have Goodyear F1's right now which are good and sticky and work well in the rain and the T1-R's should perform similar but ride more quietly. I've don't know how the stock STi tires are but have heard how sticky they are, just not good in the wet.
I need something that performs well, 1-3 track days a year, 7-10 autox's and lots of spirited driving in the wet and dry days all year long. Anyone have the T1-R's for a period of time and how are they overall? I guess if you have an STi they aren't good coming from what you're used to but what is the overall impression on the Toyo's.
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Old 07-13-2006, 04:33 PM   #15
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There are better and cheaper tires out there for sure. You will not like autocrossing on them if you are used to your re070s. They are great in the rain and are a good daily driver tire for nice soft ride but they are not a very excellent performance choice.
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:30 PM   #16
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^ agree. When I was at a track school my instructor's car had the T1R (2000 M coupe). He was complaining how crappy they are on the track while he was driving. He said the old T1S was better.
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Old 07-13-2006, 10:51 PM   #17
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the t1r has not had much good press, anywhere
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Well, glad I didn't buy them. I was ready to but know will have to re-think that and look for something else.
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:24 AM   #19
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I do not track my car or do much Auto X...Just nice spirited driving with hard accel runs
I can say this, I like my T1R's better than my last 3 sets of tires...
F1's
Kuhmo 712's
Kuhmo Spt's
All tires were in the 235/40 18 tire size
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:49 AM   #20
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A legacy GT wagon is not an STI. And the Toyos SHOULD outperform those 2 all seasons you listed. You must be smoking crack if you thought they were better than the F1 gsd3's though.

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Old 07-21-2006, 09:55 AM   #21
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Like I said I do not track the car.....never said it was a STi...Just do not let me catch you in a strait line
The F1's have a much weaker sidewall.
Had to really pump up the air pressure to get them to perform...
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Like I said I do not track the car.....never said it was a STi...Just do not let me catch you in a strait line
The F1's have a much weaker sidewall.
Had to really pump up the air pressure to get them to perform...
Yeah, my F1's roll over in a big way, even at 47 PSI. So the T1-R's are better than the F1. I was sold on the toyo until this thread, but think I may try them anyway since there's so much rain here that wet performance is important. Hopefully I'll be able to get an extra set of wheels and get track/ autoX only tires.
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Quote:
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Like I said I do not track the car.....never said it was a STi...Just do not let me catch you in a strait line
The F1's have a much weaker sidewall.
Had to really pump up the air pressure to get them to perform...
....if ya had had the right size tire....a 225/40 is a much better choice....they would have been better
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Old 07-21-2006, 05:07 PM   #24
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Que?
I have 18X8" rims.........
Was goiing to go with a 245/35 tire but did not want to roll the fenders
It is well known the F1 has a soft sidewall...it is still a great tire just did not perform as well in the dry as the T1R.
Neither tire is a "all out" dry weather performer, with a 280 treadwear rating I did not expect them to be though. 15k later I still have about 60% tread left with no complaints.....
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This thread is messing me up too, I just recieved my 18x8 wheels and was going to get toyo T1R's as well with 235/40/18 and now I don't know. I was going to have them installed for 700.00
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