Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday December 18, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Subaru Models > Legacy Forum

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-09-2006, 04:52 PM   #1
MustangRacer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 89551
Join Date: Jun 2005
Default Low budget performance?

OK so i have a 2000 Subaru Legacy GT.

Its completly stock and has an auto transmission.

I can't afford a turbo kit.

Anyone have ideas on how to make it a little faster. Its pretty slugish and i looked up 1/4 mile times on the stock car and its in the 17's! ouch.

So basicaly just want the car to be little quicker like the mid to high 14 sec range.

What parts would you start with and what total mods would get me there?

Don't say tires cause i am not doing this for the track it would be a daily driver set up.

I appreciate any advice all the knowledgable people on this forum could give me.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
MustangRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 05:16 PM   #2
LetItSnow
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 38222
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Cicero, NY
Vehicle:
'10 &'12 Foresters
another Miata convert

Default

High 14's? No turbo? Oof. I guess you could entirely gut the interior, shed the A/C and P/S, lose as much weight as possible (your own!) and wait for a tailwind.

A.K.A. "Ain't gonna happen."

I keep asking this, and nobody answers, so we'll give you a try: What kind of budget are you working on? Cash dictates direction.

For me, with a 3400lb. wagon, I'd set my sights on keeping speed attained, and that goes beyond the track.

So, how much money?
LetItSnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 05:36 PM   #3
MustangRacer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 89551
Join Date: Jun 2005
Default

LOL sorry my car background is mostly V8 cars so I really didn't know you'd need a turbo to get that kind of time.

The car is a sedan not a wagon.

Oh i forgot to mention that i can't do any weight reduction if it involves taking out things. Only replaceing them with lighter stuff.

Anyway I really only have like 300 hundred bucks at this point. I wouldn't be doing everything at once but rather when i get another couple hunderd add somthing else and such like that.. I could basicaly put in $1000 per year.

Turbo would run me a few grand right...i would love to do a turbo but i just think it is impossible to find that much money at once...
MustangRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 06:07 PM   #4
MitchGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 73684
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Kirkland, WA
Vehicle:
2012 4Runner

Default

Sell it and buy a used WRX.
MitchGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 06:08 PM   #5
MustangRacer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 89551
Join Date: Jun 2005
Default

WRX is too small. I need the roomier interior.
MustangRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 08:22 PM   #6
ooberdoob
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 70418
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Greenville, SC
Vehicle:
Five Subarus later I
drive a lifted TJ.

Default

sell a testicle and swap it. put in a 5MT while you're at it.
ooberdoob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2006, 08:38 PM   #7
GTWagon_Phreak
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 95645
Join Date: Sep 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: South FL
Vehicle:
2006 LGT Stg2 5MT
97 LegacyGT Wagon 4EAT

Default

Sell it and buy used late model Legacy GT with turbo 2.5L 250HP
GTWagon_Phreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 04:30 AM   #8
janikphoto
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 10471
Join Date: Sep 2001
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Dallas, TX
Vehicle:
2000 BMW Z3
sold Outback & ForesterXT

Default

you can get the obx ebay headers, but $300 won't buy much, and you won;t hit those speed numbers without a few grand...
janikphoto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 09:38 AM   #9
WallyKincaid
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 90566
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy 2.5 GT
I want JDM WRX!

Default

Cheap and car modding shouldnt really mix... its not somethin you wanna cut corners on. Do the small things like plugs and filter if you want, but thats smart for the cars overall life too. I dont think you can shave 3 seconds with 300 bucks, and it (sadly) probably isnt worth trying. Some cars are not made for mods or faster quarter mile times.
WallyKincaid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 09:50 AM   #10
Gil
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 20872
Join Date: Jul 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Rochester, NY
Vehicle:
t3h rubber-neckers
must die!

Default

yeah. i think you might be looking for the wrong thing out of this platform. these things simply aren't meant to shoot down the quarter-mile.

i've given trying to milk more power of out mine, and instead have gone the direction of improving braking & handling.
Gil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 09:52 AM   #11
GTWagon_Phreak
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 95645
Join Date: Sep 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: South FL
Vehicle:
2006 LGT Stg2 5MT
97 LegacyGT Wagon 4EAT

Default

I had contemplated purchasing an Intake and Exhaust system for my BK, but when it comes down to I can't justify hundreds and hundreds of dollars in parts that will only make my car feel a little faster and not make a noticeable difference. Nor would I save thousands to turbo my 9 year old 206K miles wagon.

The car may not be a rocket, but she's got decent pull if you give it some gas and with a few cheap mods will handle very nicely. Just go auto-x it instead
GTWagon_Phreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 11:01 AM   #12
Dealer Xing
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 4673
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NY/NJ
Default

Just do a 1/4 mile downhill run
Dealer Xing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 12:53 PM   #13
cowapult
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 25324
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: London, UK (formerly Wash DC)
Vehicle:
00 2.5RSwhite-sold
91 Legacy Turbo Red

Default

17's to 14's is a multi-thousand dollar improvement on any car. It's even worse on an NA car because all the power making is hidden deep inside the engine... there's no turbo control system right at your finger tips to monkey with.

$300 on an NA car will change performance about as much as having a spat of cold weather (which makes the air a little denser). We're talking intake, pulleys, stuff that's almost imperceptable unless you use your imagination. You can also consider doing cosmetic things that make it seem faster and funner, like get a loud muffler, get a short shifter that feels sportier, get some new shocks or sway bar. Oh yeah, in most of those cases $300 is just getting you parts, not install.

Don't get me wrong, it's fun. I did that kind of little stuff to my RS which has the same engine as you, and it makes commuting a little more fun. But, reel in those expectations a bit



EDIT - sorry, I see that you actually plan to put in 1k per year. At that rate you could start after saving a few years. Yeah, cheapest way might be to sell your car and buy a used WRX. Next cheapest might be to swap in a 2.0T, especially if you can do it yourself and you don't mind investing months of free time in it. Next cheapest might be to buy a turbo kit for the EJ25, but keep in mind a) you're going to need to upgrade everything not just strap the turbo on b) EJ25s like to blow headgaskets with not a lot of boost - so you're going to have to dance around that issue big time while trying to get an EJ25 to pull the weight of a Legacy body to 14's. d) most expensive option is probably trying to get to 14's all-motor

Last edited by cowapult; 04-10-2006 at 01:14 PM.
cowapult is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2006, 12:55 PM   #14
WallyKincaid
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 90566
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy 2.5 GT
I want JDM WRX!

Default

I have a 99 Legacy GT and wanted more power... I ended up buying a SWEET twin turbo kit. But with complications and money involved I decided to sell the kit and just wait out until I can afford a WRX. You may want to look into saving/waiting and swapping, swapping a GC8 (JDM = more bang for the buck) or just buying a USDM WRX (simple, straight forward, no emissions issues).
WallyKincaid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2006, 10:35 AM   #15
MY99 2.5GT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5030
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV, USA
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy 2.5GT
12 Legacy GT 13 Armada

Default

The best idea is to mod with a purpose. If your purpose is to eventually do a low boost turbo system then mod with things that will maybe give you a slight power or handling increase but will still be able to be used once the turbo goes on.

Suggested Mods w\ future turbo in mind:

Catback Exhaust (2.5" or larger if turbo is in the future)
Up-Rated Clutch (Stock Clutches begin to slip pretty well under stock power much less turbo power)
Lightened Flywheel (Lightened Flywheels reduce the rotating mass of the car allowing it to rev quicker. When weight reduction is talked about reducing rotating weight is about 3 time more noticable then dead weight. You will definitely feel more power here, I would venture to say you would even see a gas mileage improvement, however you will need to learn to slip the clutch a little more during launch)
Underdrive/Lightened Pulleys (These don't make as big of a difference as clutch/flywheel improvements but will again reduce rotating mass and look nice as well)
Ebay Intake (Even though you wouldn't be able to keep the NA intake once a turbo system is installed, it would be worth paying $100 for the improvement in power and looks while inbetween. You shouldn't have any trouble selling this once you do turbo upgrade)

One of the biggest pointers I could give you when modding your subaru: Keep your stock parts on hand. Do not sell these. If you regret any mod that you do and even think about swapping the stock parts back on you will pay an arm and a leg from a dealer. As well you may be able to pick up used parts on these boards but you really never know what your going to get.

Take care of suspension and braking before upgrading power. Our fat Legacy family cars can really be transformed with stiffer springs and strut. Adjustable rear swaybar is another cheap easy mod.

Brad
MY99 2.5GT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2006, 01:30 PM   #16
MustangRacer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 89551
Join Date: Jun 2005
Default

Thank you all for your responces.

I guess it was a harder task then i though. appreciate the input.
MustangRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2006, 01:42 PM   #17
WallyKincaid
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 90566
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Upstate NY
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy 2.5 GT
I want JDM WRX!

Default

MY99 2.5GT - Where did you find sway bars and the like for the Legacy? Ive been lookin at all my favorite suby sites and come up highly dissapointed on Legacy products. Do any version of Impreza cross over? I wouldnt think so, but Im no expert.


edit - sorry Racer. Didnt mean to shoot you down or anything
If you want to swap I can put you in contact with some VERY fair, VERY well priced people.
WallyKincaid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2006, 02:02 PM   #18
Kraziken
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 38629
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Northwest
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy GT (STI)
White

Default

It seems a lot of the Subie stores are dropping links to our Legacy.

For the most part a lot of Impreza parts fit our cars, so on any particular item suspension, coilovers etc check out the search.

I do know one company that has blessed us with options is Whiteline. Check out www.pdm-racing.com

Or you can search their extensive product line at their home site. http://www.whiteline.com.au/

Oh, and Mustangracer, even though it doesn't add much power. A nice catback and intake still adds considerably more fun to the ride. The Butt dyno appreciated it. Real power is a bit harder to get. Handling and brakes are much more rewarding for the dollar.

Last edited by Kraziken; 04-13-2006 at 02:23 PM.
Kraziken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2006, 02:21 PM   #19
flanders
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 76382
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area
Vehicle:
2000 BH
BP Wannabe

Default

Contact Brett at Renick. He just helped me out with a whiteline sway for my BH. The price was pretty good. Tell him Ned sent you.

Brett Moncur
Renick Subaru
1100 S. Euclid St.
Fullerton, CA 92832
brett@renicksubaru.com
flanders is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
questions about service crew for a low budget rally team whitenoise77 Motorsports 13 03-17-2004 09:21 PM
A true low budget dinner meet. jetfan8178 Tri-State Area Forum 46 01-20-2003 01:53 PM
Come to Nino's low-budget IHOP meet and use the money you save to buy my P1's! Strider Tri-State Area Forum 2 01-16-2003 03:28 PM
('93-'01) Low-budget Impreza? Possible? HELP! Blitz Impreza Forum 17 07-31-2001 10:30 AM
Seeking Low Budget Advice akuhner Car Audio, Video & Security 19 01-30-2000 12:23 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.