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Old 04-11-2006, 01:14 AM   #1
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Default Crawford R4 info?

Did a search and found some VERY old info. Just wondering if there was anybody running this motor and what you experience is with it + any other info you guys have in relation to this motor. Thanks
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:45 AM   #2
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You might want to check this thread before making any decisions!
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You might want to check this thread before making any decisions!
dude read the facts, not someone who's pissed for something that was his own fault out on a smear campaign

try this one

http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r...info.cgi?id=12
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Old 04-11-2006, 11:18 AM   #5
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anybody else?
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Old 04-11-2006, 12:21 PM   #6
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dude read the facts, not someone who's pissed for something that was his own fault out on a smear campaign
I'm confused. Since I have to assume you refer to the car owner, could you please explain exactly why you believe this was "his own fault?" To me, the evidence points conclusively to either an assembly error or manufacturing defect - not to mention very poor customer service follow-up.
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Old 04-11-2006, 12:37 PM   #7
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dude read the facts, not someone who's pissed for something that was his own fault out on a smear campaign

try this one

http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r...info.cgi?id=12
And I bet you believe the earth is flat
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Old 04-11-2006, 12:41 PM   #8
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And I bet you believe the earth is flat
only if quirt says so.
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Old 04-11-2006, 01:19 PM   #9
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This was not intended to be a flaming thread. Lets get back on topic
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Old 04-11-2006, 01:40 PM   #10
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What info in particular are you looking for?
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Old 04-11-2006, 02:18 PM   #11
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What info in particular are you looking for?
Anything updated! After I searched it appears there were only 2 of them floating around on this board and alot of the info was somewhat unclear of what the motor is capable of. Has anybody been running this motor for a while and is there any dyno graphs / hp numbers anywhere to be found????

For such an expensive and extreme motor I would assume there would be more info available on it. I guess I could go off the fact that the BV Team was using the R3 in there 9.67 STI.......
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Well, there are only 4-5 of them out there(according to the guy who sold me my axis stage 5 to go with a crawford R4)
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Well, there are only 4-5 of them out there(according to the guy who sold me my axis stage 5 to go with a crawford R4)
So you've owned 'em both? What's the scoop?
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dude read the facts, not someone who's pissed for something that was his own fault out on a smear campaign
the situation with my motor was caused by crawford's negligence and quality control deficiencies. there's a big difference between telling the truth and waging a smear campaign. the next time you want to talk crap about me, make sure i'm in the room. better yet, make it in person.

quirt dropped undersized pistons with .006 -.007 piston to wall tolerances into my s4, refused to replace the motor and then lied about it - period. detonation had nothing to do with the demise of my motor. it was junk before it left his shop.

to the original poster: do your homework. crawford motors are fast as hell but you better hope he builds you a good one or you are stuck with it. if that's ok with you, then go get one.

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Old 04-11-2006, 05:19 PM   #15
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Aside from the P to W clearances sharade , has anybody heard of anything else that Quirt apparently doesnt do right as far as building his motors? As if I couldnt have the P to W clearances checked before installation by a local shop.
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Old 04-11-2006, 05:25 PM   #16
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961979
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We run .0035" clearance on the 3.9175" bore pistons

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Old 04-11-2006, 05:39 PM   #17
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This was not intended to be a flaming thread. Lets get back on topic
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As if I couldnt have the P to W clearances checked before installation by a local shop.
say that out loud to see how many people laugh: you are going to buy a 10,000. r4 crawford motor and you are going to take it to a local shop to make sure quirt's piston to wall clearances are correct.

two questions:
- should they check anything else while theyre at it?
- is quirt paying your local shop to do his quality control for him? if so, i might even buy another crawford motor.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:33 PM   #19
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http://www.subarumotors.net/
http://www.axispowerracing.net/
http://www.gruppe-s.com/

Why wonder? If you ask, any of these folks will send you all the measurements. They have all built multiple Subaru motors. It's not rocket science, just careful machining, measuring, and torquing. In the end, they are all engine assemblers and you are paying them a lot of money to assemble your motor from parts that you can buy yourself (and assemble yourself if you like). You are paying them for their experience at the assembly process, not a bunch of hot air bragging and snubbing of other assembler's fine work.
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Old 04-11-2006, 08:01 PM   #20
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say that out loud to see how many people laugh: you are going to buy a 10,000. r4 crawford motor and you are going to take it to a local shop to make sure quirt's piston to wall clearances are correct.

two questions:
- should they check anything else while theyre at it?
- is quirt paying your local shop to do his quality control for him? if so, i might even buy another crawford motor.
Well, better to be safe than sorry.I got the brand new motor for a complete steal so It wouldnt be a big deal to me to double check Quirts clearances out of peace of mind before I install it in my car (if I even do).

I am aware of the whole bobble piston ordeal and I completley lean towards your side of things but you cant tell me he built ALL his motors like that. This motor was built for a very extreme subaru project for (i believe) a freind of Quirts, so hopefully he took his time with this one and its PERFECT

But I still want to gather as much info on this motor as I can seeing there isnt a lot out there.

Like I said, aside form P to W clearances, has anybody else had any other problems with a Crawford motor???
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Well, better to be safe than sorry.I got the brand new motor for a complete steal so It wouldnt be a big deal to me to double check Quirts clearances out of peace of mind before I install it in my car (if I even do).

I am aware of the whole bobble piston ordeal and I completley lean towards your side of things but you cant tell me he built ALL his motors like that.
i never would. i wish you great luck with it.
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Old 04-11-2006, 08:30 PM   #22
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i never would. i wish you great luck with it.
Never would what? put it in your car? I understand your misfortune as it is a raw and crappy deal but look at the success he has also had with his motors, ie: BV Team......

Maybe it is all his fault that your motor was crap but then its also all his fault that the BV team has had much success with his R3.

After reading all the crap about Quirt and his motors I have to say Im a little scared to put this motor in my car but at the same time while I read all the bad stuff , its not a far turn to read the great stuff. Back on topic INFO!!!
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:15 PM   #23
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Ask the kid that bought that Top Secret Gold STi. His R4 is for sale & blown! on IWSTI.com & here for sale.
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Well, better to be safe than sorry.I got the brand new motor for a complete steal so It wouldnt be a big deal to me to double check Quirts clearances out of peace of mind before I install it in my car (if I even do).

I am aware of the whole bobble piston ordeal and I completley lean towards your side of things but you cant tell me he built ALL his motors like that. This motor was built for a very extreme subaru project for (i believe) a freind of Quirts, so hopefully he took his time with this one and its PERFECT

But I still want to gather as much info on this motor as I can seeing there isnt a lot out there.

Like I said, aside form P to W clearances, has anybody else had any other problems with a Crawford motor???

Please check the clearances on your motor and post the results. I can guarantee that they will be spot on, but I can't guarantee that the motor will live. At this point the life expectancy of your motor it is out of my control.

Good luck and keep us posted

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Old 04-12-2006, 12:42 AM   #25
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Please check the clearances on your motor and post the results. I can guarantee that they will be spot on, but I can't guarantee that the motor will live. At this point the life expectancy of your motor it is out of my control.
Good luck and keep us posted

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what exactly is that supposed to mean?
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