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Old 05-24-2001, 11:08 AM   #1
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Post Legacy - a performance car, right?

I was wondering how many Legacy owners have actually tested the limits of their cars? It seems that not a lot of Legacy owners really "drive" their cars other than to get groceries. I just really noticed it at a practice autocross this past weekend. I was the only legacy in a sea of ten imprezas. So speak up. I'd love to be proven wrong!

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Old 05-24-2001, 11:12 AM   #2
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My 98GT ran great at my first Auto-x last weekend. I have only good things to say about its performance and handling. 17' wheels and sticky 45 series tires helped a bunch, but overall, the car was great! I was also the only legacy at the event and just about the largest sedan there. I still beat most of the other novice racers. Legacies rock.
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Old 05-24-2001, 11:14 AM   #3
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I've pushed my car quite a few times, most recently at a rally-x in Corona, CA. I was the only Legacy in a sea of Impreza's (10 I believe) and I placed second. Based on that and the fact that I drove a 6 cylinder mustang before my GT, I would definitely say that the Legacy is a performance car. My Legacy outperforms that car in every way imaginable Just my $.02.

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Old 05-24-2001, 11:32 AM   #4
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I have pushed my legacy to the limit and beyond (oops).

Unfortunatly none of it is recorded on video or a log book because it was all on public, closed, or offroad roads.

I intend to start autoXing when I get a new job and have money for parts/maintenance.

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Old 05-24-2001, 11:37 AM   #5
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does accidently taking a 25 mph exit ramp at 65 count?

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Old 05-24-2001, 01:04 PM   #6
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My first impression when I first bought my Legacy was it was a nice "Pretender" with a fake hood scoup and largely non-functional rear spoiler.

The handling is better than I am (so far), and The brakes, while spongey, sure do slow you down in a hurry. On the other the car doesnt seem to be as powerfull as a true performance car should be. A little more power would do wonders for this car.
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Old 05-24-2001, 01:07 PM   #7
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Most people who buy Legacys are not interested in performance, however. I think many settled on the Legacy because they couldn't afford a loaded Outback wagon, but wanted the comfort of an AWD system.
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Old 05-24-2001, 01:16 PM   #8
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I took my ex Legacy (MY98)and current Legacy (MY00) to track many times. I did took my ex legacy to autox once, but did not have much fun from the event. I now only do road course events.
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Old 05-24-2001, 01:29 PM   #9
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I bought my 99 Legacy a couple months ago with maximum daily driver performance in mind.

Oh how bad I want a TEC-II and Turbo. I talked to Ralli Spec and they said I have the highly praised Phase II block with the nice high flow Phase I DOHC heads. Good for Turbo?

However I have not gotten a chance to Auto-X. I have had many track days though on my way to work and back home.
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Old 05-24-2001, 01:37 PM   #10
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froggert - I guess that depends on how often you accidentally take a 25mph offramp at 65

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Old 05-24-2001, 01:40 PM   #11
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Well I was on a back road with two of my friends in the car, and well I was doing like 125. Its the fastest I have ever gone, and will never do it again... But now I have taken my car to an auto-x and that is were I will be pushing it from here on. So I hope to see more of you guys in an auto-x.

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Old 05-24-2001, 01:52 PM   #12
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the last time really wasn't on purpose.

the 2 passengers were already annoyed by the clunking from the pbm's and had no desire to see how well they worked.
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Old 05-24-2001, 01:57 PM   #13
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---Jonathan,I have to disagree with you on this:

"Most people who buy Legacys are not interested in performance, however. Most people who buy Legacys are not interested in performance, however. I think many settled on the Legacy because they couldn't afford a loaded Outback wagon, but wanted the comfort of an AWD system. "

I personaly would never drive an outback because I would not buy a raised car. IMO, that is what a truck or SUV is for. I am not putting down OB owners, as there are many here in Washington. I never settle, and especially with my Legacy. If you have ever driven an OB, like I have, you will know that it is a much different ride than the legacy GT. I can't count the number of Legacy owners who said that they settled for a lesser model and when they were not able to afford a GT. Everyone I know who has a GT bought one because it was a GT, and NOT an L or an OB. I am sorry if you had to settle for a GT, but I think that if you had both, you would end up driving the GT more. Also, there are few differences between a "loaded Outback" and a Limited GT. My .02


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Old 05-24-2001, 02:30 PM   #14
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This pic is from an event where I placed about 10th out of about 30 cars (in PGT), with about 25 of them being Imprezas. I was the only Legacy. This was my *first* RallyX. The GT really can hold it's own on the dirt, you just have to be able to put it where you want it.

I am always looking for dirt/gravel/grass lots that I can pull a donut in... and I frequent a few twisty roads around my place... I get all four tires broken loose on tarmac on the occasion... I really drive my car at the limit.

edit: Does it count that I keep an open-faced Arai helmet in my back seat?


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Old 05-24-2001, 02:39 PM   #15
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Rest assured I specifically INSISTED on a GT Limited with the 5-speed. Apparently I made my dealer 'jump through hoops' to get one for me, as they were few in stock and very hard to find. I would say 85% of what my dealer was selling was the Subaru Legacy Outback station wagon. The people who drive these type vehicles want nothing more than basic reliable & safe transportation. "Performance" to these type of people is a dirty word.


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Old 05-24-2001, 02:42 PM   #16
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Legacies.... technically, they are not sports cars by no means. They are sport sedans tho. I consider these more of a sport cruiser.
In Japan, they are called, "Uncle's Sports car", meaning, a nice luxury car with a hint of the sporty look, and bit of "umph" to it.

Imprezas? Well, these are a different breed. If you noticed, the parts are even different such as stiffer struts.
Legacies are geared more for comfort, and luxury. If you compared the differences with the Impreza, they are MUCH MUCH different. Imagine a empty can with wheels vs. a wine glass with wheels.( I don't mean the fragility part) Subiegal made that transition, and she had couple gripes about the Impreza. All in all, Legacies are great. But if you expect miracle times with it, you'll be disappointed. You'll end up forking out more money to make the Legacy go fast than the Impreza on the long run. Imprezas are lighter which make them a bit faster. However, I admit, the Legacy is pretty quick for the size and weight. I, too, wished it went a bit more faster... But hey, I still love my Legacy, it's been loyal to me so far.

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Old 05-24-2001, 03:15 PM   #17
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Photos before the Mods:

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UR Pulley, Whiteline Rear Sway set @ 24 mm.

Corners much flatter, sounds much better, and autocrosses happily every 2 weeks. But yep, I'm usually the only Legacy around in every competition.


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Old 05-24-2001, 03:56 PM   #18
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"Performance" to these type of people is a dirty word.
Actually, Jonathan, to some of us 'performance' is a dirty car. Some of us OB owners consciously made the trade off of street performance for off-road clearance.

I don't think you would find the percentage of people who bought Legacies for performance reasons any higher than the percentage of OB owner who did. Don't blindly impose your priorities on other people.
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Old 05-24-2001, 04:19 PM   #19
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Yes it is a performance car.. i do push it to the limit in autoX.. and it actually does quite well... the only Legacy out of 5 or 6 Imprezas and was only beaten by a 2.5RS with DMS suspension... but i recently pushed it over the limit where i am not suppose to.. and i lost my car..


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Old 05-24-2001, 06:35 PM   #20
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I had a 99 Legacy wagon before i got my RS and it turned quite a few heads when i was 2nd in STS several times.. Shortly after that i sold it and got my 99 RS. Now we are adding a Legacy back into the mix. The RS is fun and sporty, but it lacks praticality sometimes. The Legacy wagon is very practical and more comfortable for long rides/drive. Just have to install the suspension and it will be all set.

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Old 05-24-2001, 06:48 PM   #21
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Hey, Jonathan... I bought an OB because I needed the space and nobody had GT wagons available in '96... With a few minor mods, the OB handles nearly as well as our GT sedan; with some new struts (old ones are 100K+) it should handle better than it. OB does not equal not wanting performance. OB equals 4-person family and need for space.

Back to the main thread, I've tracked the GT and gone pretty close to the car's limit. It could use about 30-50 more HP and would be much better - exiting corners, it's got no go.
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Old 05-24-2001, 08:07 PM   #22
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rrubel, Although not a fan of the OutBack and other of the SUV ilk, I do recognize it as the car that "saved" Subaru, and for that , and to the millions that bought the OB, THANK YOU!!!

Granted, my GT Wagon won't win many "Stop-light GP's", but I recognize it as the "Swiss Army Knife" that it is. Snow, no problem! A week at the Lake with camping/fishing gear, no problem! An AWD handler in the twisties that'll leave most SUV's in the weeds, as long as I'm prepared to be reeled in on the next straight-away, is what my Subie is!! 50-60 more ponys would definitely transform the car. I always dreamt of the SVX I-6 derived 5 (or 6!) speed wagon that FHI never got around to building, but guess I'll have to be content with improving the ride/handling package and living with one Very Sexy Sport Wagon!!

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Old 05-24-2001, 08:32 PM   #23
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Well if pushing a car to the limit is part of your logic as a "Sports Car", I guess a Geo Metro or a Rolls Royce can be considered as a Sports car as well then. If you really want to compare sports cars, I am yet to see a Legacy beat a 300ZX or Supra. I consider these as true sports cars.
As they say, "It's in the eye of the Beholder" There's a reason why my insurance is cheap, Age, Classification of the car, options, HP's, blah blah blah.

Jonathan does have a point tho. I see more older people driving around in Legacies than the Imprezas for that very reason, safety of AWD, quietness, and comfort.

Bah, go find your car and just have fun with it, regardless if it's a sports car or not.
You can do whatever you want with it, add gazillion things to the Legacy to make it go faster, still doesn't make your car a Sports car. It's just a faster luxury sport sedan.
It's just happens to be in this classification. Call your Legacies what you will, but at least it will get you from Point A to Point B in style.
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Old 05-24-2001, 09:26 PM   #24
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Actually, Jonathan, to some of us 'performance' is a dirty car. Some of us OB owners consciously made the trade off of street performance for off-road clearance.

I don't think you would find the percentage of people who bought Legacies for performance reasons any higher than the percentage of OB owner who did. Don't blindly impose your priorities on other people.
Geez gavin... Are you attempting to start an argument here ? I think by definition almost everyone posting in here is interested in the performance of their Subarus. All I am saying is that the majority of Subarus being sold (at least prior to the WRX) were Subaru Legacy & Outback station wagons. I think we can all agree that the majority of the people purchasing these cars are not especially interested in performance. They are interested in basic reliable transportation, a vehicle to transport their kids to and from soccer practice and to pick up groceries with. I am not 'imposing my priorities' on you or anyone else. I am merely making a statement about to whom the car was being marketed, and how it is perceived (rightly or wrongly) in the marketplace.

If you tell me I am wrong, I don't mind that... Maybe I can even learn something from you. But please don't go off on a tangent and accuse me of imposing my priorities on others.

Please re-read the opening sentences of this thread:
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I was wondering how many Legacy owners have actually tested the limits of their cars ? It seems that not a lot of Legacy owners really "drive" their cars other than to get groceries.
I happen to agree with 2.5GT here. I am sure there are some people (myself included) who appreciate the performance of our Legacys. The vast majority of the people who purchase these cars do not care about specific performance features, but instead seem to be more concerned with 'image' and 'style', and basic day to day 'utility'. Can we agree on this ?
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I would say 85% of what my dealer was selling was the Subaru Legacy Outback station wagon. The people who drive these type vehicles want nothing more than basic reliable & safe transportation. "Performance" to these type of people is a dirty word.
Not everyone is looking for street performance. A street rigged GT would leave it's muffler on half of the trails that I traverse on a regular basis. The GT is designed for street performance, the OB is designed for offroad performance. The two are mutually exclusive. I chose my vehicle with as much care as you chose your GT. To imply otherwise is to impose your standards of 'performance' on someone else's decision.
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