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Old 04-01-2000, 02:27 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Legacy Stock Height Help!

Can someone with a 97-99GT Legacy please tell me what the stock height of the car.

I would like to know the distance from the middle of the wheel to the fender arc straight above it. Front and back please.

Jamie & Force(FED),
What are you current distances (as above)?

The my car looks much lower than I expected.....hope I didn't get the Impreza Eibach Springs.

I will go and get my measurements too.

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Old 04-01-2000, 05:06 PM   #2
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I didn't measure my stock height this way...I measured from the top edge of my wheel to the fenderlip. I think stock it was 5.50" both sides up front, and 4.66" for the rears. The car sits MUCH lower with the Eibachs, and with my 17" wheels it looks so sweet. I am getting a little rubbing on the rear passenger side with my 215 tires. I think 205 would clear (plus I am using +47mm offset wheels, not stock 53). It rarely rubs, and I don't think it will hurt. I am going to take the wheels off the back tomorrow and 'bend' up the inside of the fender lip a bit (cringe!!!)

I will measure the change tomorrow also and let you know.

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Old 04-02-2000, 12:11 AM   #3
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Force{FED},

I dont understand....you had the Eibachs and are in the process of taking them out for H&R?

And you say that the eibach's make the car lower than H&R's? Please let me know what the measurement is for the eibachs & H&R's when you get a chance.

I'm confused.

Thanks for the stock height info.

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Old 04-02-2000, 12:18 AM   #4
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The H&R's are supposed to lower about 1.25 or 1.5 the Eibach's are .75

GTMAN, You were wondering if you got the Impreza springs. Did they say Impreza on them? I have Prodrive/Eibach springs and they said Legacy on them.

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Old 04-02-2000, 03:12 AM   #5
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So is anyone getting rid of their Eibach's? I'd like a set for my GT wagon.
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Old 04-02-2000, 11:44 AM   #6
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O.K. The front measures 4.5in and rear 4in. measured from the highest point of the GT Stock wheel to the fender lip straight above it (ala Froce(FED) method). With Force(FED) numbers the car is 1"f & 0.7"r lowered (assuming GT Sedan with Stock wheels has same measurements as GT WGN).

AZ-GT, If you have stock wheels&springs on your GT wagon, please let me know what this measurement is.

Jamie. What is are your measurements with H&R's?

I did take down what was written on the springs - as far as I can look in when the car was jacked up, the spring said - Eibach Federn(is this a German Word for Spring), 49/97, and EW7706002HA for both rear springs. I don't know what this all means - can anyone identify if these springs are for the Legacy. I could not see anything in the front as the printing might be facing inside.

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Old 04-02-2000, 12:30 PM   #7
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Where did you get them? SPD?
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Old 04-02-2000, 06:13 PM   #8
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OK, I mistyped some info and it caused some confusion.

First of all, I never had the Eibachs. I heard they only lower .75" or so, and were not very noticeable. I wanted the H&R's.

The H&R's lowered my 99 2.5GT sedan 1.4" in the rear, and 1.75" in the front (both sides were dead even). The ride is good, even with my low profile 17's and the stock shocks. I plan on getting the AGX's just to help better control the springs.

I have not gotten an alignment yet since I am deciding if I just want to order the AGX's now and slap them on first (instead of getting 2 alignments).

I will have before/after pics up soon on lagging.com. My car looks sweet, and I get many compliments.

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Old 04-03-2000, 10:20 PM   #9
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hmmm, I have the prodrive/eibach's from SPD
and despite the claims I got a drop of 1" in the front and almost 2" (say 40-50mm) in the rear on a wagon. unfortunately the rear drop is causing problems so I may be looking at other springs to do the job.

pretty phenomenal in the corners and in the body roll department though.
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Old 04-03-2000, 11:40 PM   #10
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The springs are SPD Eibachs, struts AGX.

Slowly getting use to the lowered look. Still curious to verify my exact drop. But from what looks like 0.75in claim is almost false - until I get concrete evidence from a stock car. I know one guy that has H&R's and he said the 1.5in F and 1.25 in R claim for him was about 1.8/1.5 F/R.....so guess some people may just get lucky the the drop they got it was by the spec.

I just hope it does not sag over time - Does any know if the Eibachs will sag over time, and if so, by how much? Belly of the car is comming way close to scrapin'.

Looking at Force's web page, mine looks like it is as low as Jamie's car.......and some people say that it is don't go for the Eibachs as you can't tell the difference from stock.....

NEways on a high note the handling is TIGHT....true sports car feel - now I just need 300hp!. Many new things are starting to vibrate in the car though, may need chassis reinforcements.

Keep the stock height numbers comming....much appreciated.

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Old 04-04-2000, 07:07 AM   #11
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Remember that all the pics on my webpage of my car are at a factory ride height. You will see the huge difference in height when I post the new pics up (just need to get the digital cam from my bro).

1.8 front/1.5 rear from the H&R's is about what I got. I don't mind the height tho, as long as the car is level side-to-side.

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Old 04-04-2000, 02:23 PM   #12
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GTMAN -

hold on... it's raining out!!!! i'll take some measurements tonight in my garage where it's nice and dry ok???
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Old 04-04-2000, 02:47 PM   #13
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All my measurements were based on the 17" wheels. The only important factor is the amount of drop. I got 1.75" in the front, and 1.4 in the rear.

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Old 04-05-2000, 01:05 AM   #14
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But Kevin, you have 17 in wheels. Does that make a difference in height (knowing you have 50/45series tires)?

Were your initial 5.5 & 4.66 in measurements from your 17's or stock 16's?

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Old 04-06-2000, 06:50 AM   #15
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my '97 Legacy GT with stock struts, 18mm rear bar, Eibach springs (7706.140) sits at front: 12.75" wheel center to bottom of wheel arch (paint)or 24.75" from ground (stock wheels/tires)rear: 13" wheel center to bottom of wheel arch (paint) or 25" from ground. The Eibach springs lowered the front by 1.8" and the rear 1.6". The front is actually too low hitting the bump stops (unmodified) w/ tires rubbing when turning / under load. I installed a lower rubber spring cushion / seat under the front spring (like the rear) and got a 0.25" rise (now 13" front and rear)and no rubbing but still hit the bump stops on occaision. The car rides like it's on rails (handles great)but the springs overpower the struts. The bumps also interupt the CD (stock) player. The KYB/AGX are waiting to be installed.

Re Impreza Eibach springs (7705.140) I am very disappointed as they only lowered the front ('98 Impreza 2.5 RS) by about 0.375" and the rear 0.5", it handles better but looks funny with the front end high in the air, and the Legacy runs circles around it. I know I've read all about "not too low" roll center etc. but I'd like to lower it an inch or so more. The rear (w/ 20mm bar)behaves very well / feels great, the front wonders in the corners under the slightest bumps even w/ slight 1/16" toe-in. Waiting the results of the KYB/AGX on the Legacy before ordering for the Impreza.
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Old 04-06-2000, 08:05 AM   #16
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McCksl,

I am thinking about the Eibachs for my Legacy but they say only 0.75 drop. You state a very nice figure with yours (1.8 f and 1.6 back) Are we talkin about same Eibachs? My Legacy kinda sits higher in the front now and wanted to level it off. HnR or Eibach. Any info would be great.

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Old 04-06-2000, 08:23 AM   #17
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Okay. I dutifully went out and measured the ride height on my stock 98 GT Wagon.<center><table border=2 width=80%><tr><td bgcolor="yellow">&nbsp;</td>
<td bgcolor="yellow">Driver's Side</td>
<td bgcolor="yellow">Passenger Side</td>
</tr>
<tr><td bgcolor="yellow">Front:</td>
<td>~6 1/2 (15 1/8)</td>
<td>6 1/4 (14 7/8)</td>
</tr>
<tr><td bgcolor="yellow">Rear:</td>
<td>5 7/8 (14 1/2)</td>
<td>6 1/8 (14 3/4)</td>
</tr>
<tr><td colspan=3 bgcolor="navy"><small><font color="yellow">First measurement is Rim to Fender, the second (in parenthesis) is Center of wheel to Fender</font></small></td></tr>
</table></center>
My suspension and wheels are all stock, with about 28K miles on 'em.

Now, what does it mean? Heffilino. Though I do wonder why the Driver's side rear is lower than the Passenger side; and just the opposite at the front...

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<small>Edit: Apologies for the space above the table. I tried and tried to get rid of it... Whatever. Cool table though, huh? </small>

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Old 04-06-2000, 12:41 PM   #18
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...the Eiback Catalog calls for 7706.140 springs, which I understand is really a European application, on the Legacy which I have as purchased from Summit Racing. I'm very happy with them (ride, height etc.)except I really needed a bit more height in the front(tires rub slightly and hits bump stops), and they overpower the stock struts. The car sits real nice with a very NASCAR raked look, discrete / understated but not yet slamed, but close. I put a lower rubber spring seat / cushion in to fix the height / tire rubbing /level it out a bit and the KYB/AGX sit in the garage waiting installation. I am disappointed with lack of data / repsonse from Eibach USA, Eibach Germany, Summit, SPD as I can't get data on the spring rates, free / installed height etc. I'd check out other possibilities before I'd buy Eibach again. Remember the GT Wagon is heavier than the sedan so height might be different with the same springs.

The Impreza gets the 7705.140 spring set (numbers printed right on the springs) also a European app. which again I can't get any data on. I have these on my Impreza and it's totally lacking. The front was lowered about 0.375" and the back about 0.5", looks like a duck with its head / nose up in the air. It handels much better but the front needs help and again the stock struts are over powered. I'm tempted to put the Legacy springs in the Impreza to try them out, or cut the front Impreza springs a bit (not fun).

I'm awaiting Shiv's suspension compero in SSC before spending any more money.

Cheers!!!
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Old 04-06-2000, 12:46 PM   #19
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ooops forgot...

Radio Flyer, "Nice Ride"... my GT sedan is white, I almost bought a GT wagon, in white, but now I see Red is what it should be...
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Old 04-06-2000, 08:28 PM   #20
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OK, now about the H&R's. I can't believe how SMOOTH the car rides with these things. When I installed mine I dremeled off about 1/2" from the bump stop to allow a little more travel (hopefully). All I know is I don't feel it riding on the bump stops much...MAYBE on huge dips, etc. But even with my super thin sidewalled tires (215/45/17's), the car rides great.

Got it aligned today...the toe in the front was NASTY! Almost a full 1/5" total. It's neutral now...my tires thank me for it!

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PS Pics coming REAL soon of the legacy with the H&R's
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Old 04-08-2000, 01:19 AM   #21
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Thanks for all you guys/gals that took them measurements for me. My specs are now about 1.8front and 1.5 rear drop = H&R's.

I am in communication with SPD Mike to see what he can find out for me from Eibach.

We will see what happens then.

But at least I got the flames going on this folder!

Thanks Again,
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