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Old 02-26-2000, 11:00 PM   #1
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Talking I think I might buy a new car...

my question is turbo or 2.5GT? I don't have the money for a new car so the 2000s are out. What are the pros and cons to each?
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Old 02-27-2000, 02:25 PM   #2
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I have a 2.5.... but after driving a turbo, if I COULD get a turbo, I WOULD get a turbo.

If you haven't driven one... do it... it's just too hard to explain. Don't get me wrong, I love my GT... adore it... but I would really love more power and that's what you'll get with the turbo... Granted, if the body style sucks, that'd be another story, but I think this new turbo will be a fairly similar body style.

The Legacy is a faaaaar bigger car than the RS... it all depends on your needs... me?
i need more power... more power = turbo

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Old 02-28-2000, 08:51 AM   #3
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Why not put a turbo in a 2.5GT? Or wait and get the H6...

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Old 02-28-2000, 08:56 AM   #4
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Just FYI, I believe that he's talking about the Legacy Turbo...

JC, sorry, but I've never been in or around a Legacy Turbo. I don't much like the old body style though. But, that could well be just me. Besides, I simply love my car!

As for the benefits and differences, I think that Shik is your man.

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Old 02-28-2000, 04:27 PM   #5
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Thanks for the plug RF.

These are only my opinions( if you are talking about old Legacy turbo vs. newer Legacy GT) so don't anyone get to uptight

Performance: The Legacy turbo is kind of a no-brainer. Even though it comes up a bit short in HP to the GT, it has quite a bit more torque which is very noticeable. If you're on a limited budget, the Turbo is also much easier to get more performance out of. Get a decent exhaust, throw a K&N in, get a fuel computer and an intercooler, turn up the boost a bit, and 200+ hp comes very quickly. Also they have the WRX style transmission, slightly better brakes, and is a touch smaller then the 95-99 Legacys I believe.

On the other hand, if you see yourself having money in the future, a GT with a turbo kit would be nuts! Personally, I like the 2.5's that are turbo'd. It has been shown that you can get a totally reliable 250+hp when done right, and you don't have to sacrafice off-boost performance, where the turbo legacy is a dog. Plus, you have access to the knowlegde of the Impreza guys because the GT and 98 RS used the same motor, as well as any parts that pop up for the DOHC 2.5s( such as cams).

Uprades: The GT is the sure winner here. With the massive popularity of the GT-Bs and Legacy RS's in Japan, the aftermarket is a hell of alot stronger for the 95-99s without a doubt and more parts seem to be coming in all the time. Just take a look at one of the Legacy Hyper Revs. Everything from suspension, to body kits, you are bound to find alot more choices for the GT.

Driving: I'm basing this on stock vs. stock. The GT feels like more of a solid car, but at the same time, feels bigger. Don't get me wrong, they handle decent, but the Legacy turbo seems much more happier when you want to fling it around hairpins and such. It feels, to me, a bit more of a driver's car, then the GT's do. As far as long distance driving and comfort, I like the GT. I think the improvements made from the first gen to the 2nd show up alot when going for long cruises. The GT's just feel better overall. Quieter, smoother, and again, more solid. Plus the 2.5s seem better suited to this kind of driving then the 2.2 turbo.

It just depends on what you're after. A Legacy turbo will surely be cheaper, no matter what year it is. But then again, you are getting an older car which is something to think about if you plan on keeping it for another 5 or 6 years. But, you could always spend the money you saved and use it for upgrades. The GT's benefit from being the 2nd generation Legacy in that there were quite a bit of improvemnts made to the suspension, chassis, etc. And they do use the 2.5 which seems to be the engine to have at the current time. But you are going to pay more for it, naturally.

To be honest, I wouldn't trade my Legacy Turbo for anything Subaru offers right now. It is a car that I absolutely love driving every time I get into it, no matter where I'm going. Plus I'm a rally fan from the early 90's so, to me, it reminds me of Prodrive's old Group A Legacys which is kind of cool. But, when I am looking for a new car in the next few years, chances are it will be a used GT or ( cringe!!) Impreza sedan simply because they are newer. But you better believe there will be a turbo kit on either one It would be EXTREMELY hard to go back to a normally aspirated Sube after driving turbos for the last 5 years. They're addicting

Hope this helps some.
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Old 02-28-2000, 07:11 PM   #6
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Now I'm really confused. First I was talking about a Legacy Turbo, probably of the 92-94 variety. I own a '93 L right now and I must admit I like the way it looks better than the newer ones. Its never given me any problems so I would hope the same would be true with a turbo one.

Comfort takes a back seat to performance (straight line and on the twisties) in my book. I'd like to get 350hp+ to the ground with whatever car I chose, not really caring how much it costs, but still be a daily driver.

The biggest concern I have is that being a starving college student I might not have the dough for premium gas. Can the turbo run on regular for a little bit without any engine damage? If I do get a 2.5GT a turbo would be in the future but probably a couple years.

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Old 02-29-2000, 02:48 AM   #7
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JC, if you get a turbo or put a turbo kit on, it's premium fuel from there on out. That's just how it goes. Anyone running a turbo would have to be half nuts not to run the good stuff. I even dread when I have to put "supermarket" premium in.

Not for nothing, but if it's 350hp you want, you're going to have a hard time getting there if you are worrying about the couple bucks extra you have to spend on premium fuel It doesn't come cheap. Anyways, I'd probably go with the Legacy turbo( 5spd only), just because the drivetrain is a bit stronger. But a GT with a turbo kit tuned properly may be able to get you to high hp levels faster.

Good luck.
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Old 02-29-2000, 07:41 AM   #8
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JC, you could get a 92-94 Legacy turbo for around 6000.a 'Starving Student" can appriciate that, with a little Mods. a legacy turbo is very hard to beat, I believe that it's the best car I've had....and I've had a lot.

Shik. do you have any pictures of the Group A Legacys?? I have the 93 WRC compilation Video that has the Legacy in the Prodrive blue. and I'm looking for the 92 compilation.
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Old 02-29-2000, 01:25 PM   #9
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Hey Miller,

Yeah, I have a few articles about the car and team back in the early 90's including the special edition 240hp Rothmans Prodrive-prepared Legacy that Autosport gave away back in 92 I believe. Kind of dull looking (all white, even the wheels), but a cool concept nonetheless. There is also a website of a guy in Japan that is totally into the BC style Legacys( 1st gen sedan). His car is a Rothman's Group A Legacy replica( I think it's a replica). He also has a few pictures of some other stuff. I'll try and track the address down if you didn't see it yet.

BTW early Legacy turbo guys, I wrote an article for the North East RS club newsletter about the early group A Legacys. Check it out on our site. It's in the most recent newsletter. Not super great but then again, I'm no journalist
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Old 02-29-2000, 02:33 PM   #10
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Shik,

thanks a heap.

anything would be appriciated
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Old 02-29-2000, 05:26 PM   #11
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Miller, here is the link to that site I was talking about. www3.justnet.ne.jp/~kinoppi/out-flat/

It's mostly in Japanese( naturally) but you can find your way around fairly easy. Kinoppi said in an e-mail to me that he was going to try and incorporate more english into it in the future. He was also very interested in our 2.2 turbos. Very cool site.

Also, here's the link for the newsletter with the Group A Legacy article in it. www.members.home.com/dahart/boxer.htm
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Old 02-29-2000, 06:47 PM   #12
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Well, chances are that my parents will foot the bill for the car itself. So, I'm not too concerned with that. They are very generous around christmas and birthday time, so I could probably get alot of mods from them. The only thing I have to pay for is gas, since gas prices are raising I'm kinda concerned about that. I still don't which one to pick, but I'm kinda leaning toward a 2.5GT because I like SYMS body parts.
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Old 02-29-2000, 08:14 PM   #13
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Hi Shik and Miller, here is the other Good Japanese site that talks about our Turbo Legacy, but he owns an BF( Turbo wagon), I belive the BF an BC shear the same platform except its a wagon and 4dr!
This guys puts lots of GC (WRX) parts to his car and it seems fits to our car too!! When you look over this site, check the Construction area and look careful each one, you will find out what he did to his car and I just do it to my car from his way!!
BTW, I'm a Chinese not Japanese, so, I don't know what he talks about. I just DIY from those photo!
Almost forgot, here is the website! http://www.alles.or.jp/~uvrecl/index.html
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