Thread: Moving Forward
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:21 PM   #17
Kiwi Fella
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Since I have been named a lot in your post I feel that I need to reply Mike.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
Sure does WES.

My main beef..there is a double standard in effect. The rift started back when you became a moderator, Ralph. You need to own that.
Yes you are correct this seems to be the time that it started between you and Ralph.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
Which rules are going to be enforced and to what level and on to whom? All to Ralph's choosing. How convenient. That is called tyranny. When you are in the good graces of the tyrant, doing as they say, everything is 'hunky dory' ….but when you aren't…everything you say is censored, edited, or deleted.
That is no place that I want to be a part of.
This is a private website and as moderators we reserve the right to edit any and all content of the forums.

You have to either accept this as the way Nasioc works and not as a personal slight against you or ignore it as it is not going to change. Sorry

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
People projecting their views into what I am actually saying, seemingly without even reading the words I've typed or taking the worst possible meaning of them, without even asking for clarification. 18 yo Caleb saying that I should read the rules for the first time, so that I could better follow them? HE projected an attack into my words, when there was none. Sounds like someone has gotten a bit too big for his britches all of a sudden and how did he get that way? He wasn't like that at all a few short months ago. Several people sense that because he is your nephew, he is treated with special status these days. I hear this on a daily basis in texts amongst LONG TIME members.
You say that you do not like people projecting their views on you, but you immediately follow that up with projecting your view on Caleb. This insanity has to stop. You all need to move on from taking this personal

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
This whole thing on akic…its a real mess. Kiwi leaving.
The way that you are dealing with this issue is a major reason for me wanting to leave Mike. You cannot be reasoned with and you do not budge from your side of the argument. You use your realtionships and turn everybody onto your side of the issue. You are a divider in AKIC. Ralph and I have reached out to you a number of times to work with us but you go back to your old ways. Extremely frustrating as we both respect you as a key member of the community but the way that you deal with the issues on Nasioc forces us to respond on the only way that we can.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
I don't even know if it is repairable. A bunch of hurt feelings on both sides and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.
Its repairable... We have two choices....

1) Get over it..... life is to short, move on, it is only personal if you make it personal... do not carry something that happens on a website into your personal life

2) Leave.... It may be for a short term to get a new look at the situation or it may be permanent as in that you have out grown this site....

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
Many of us feel that with the nepotism to your little clique and this touting the Element automotive stuff has become such an obvious, over the top thing, that it has lost any validity. Those ARE good guys! They do their thing and that is great. I hope the best for them but there are other businesses in the Alaska that support our community too. This is not a one size fits all sort of place. I've supported them with business and use other places too.
I am truly neutral on this "Nepotism" concern and I have not seen any actions on how Ralph moderates in a way to defend Caleb.

You have to understand, some times I post on here just as Kiwi the member, not Kiwi the moderator. Is that tough for you to distinguish the difference? I am sure but we are allowed to joke around, post pictures, add to a discussion and talk about family as a member and not be used against us in the way that we moderate..... Also if a family member posts something that is up to that family member.... it is not fair for you to tie it to anyone else that is related to them!!!

Here is the rules that we as moderators have to enforce for Vendors.

  1. Vendors who wish to promote products or service to the club must be registered with a Vendor status. Information on becoming a vendor can obtained by writing to [email protected] Please use "NASIOC Vendor Request" in the subject of the e-mail.
  2. The NASIOC vendor fees help pay for operation costs of this site in order to keep the site free for all other members. A Vendor label is located below the vendors screen name to identify Registered Vendors of the site. Non-registered vendor advertisements on this site are not allowed. Please report any advertisement by a non-registered vendor to the moderator of the forum immediately. For more information please visit this thread here:
So do we promote Vendors, heck yes we do! As a result on their funding we get to enjoy this website with out any charges. Again to look into it more than that is unfair!

That being said, if a member talks about their experience with a local business and recommends them.. all power to them..

Things that are not cool

1) If someone works for a business or is associated to that business that is not a vendor and promotes them at every time a question is asked on who they should use....
2) Copies links or blatantly is marketing a non vendor business.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
This successive parroting of you, BJ & marshall carter, caleb and now kiwi feels a lot like what the 3 carter's used to do a few short years ago... ganging up on someone who has a contrary opinion. You seem to think that if you all say it enough times, it is somehow going to become everyones' truth. It's really pathetic.
This is simply not true and I really do not know how to respond to this... it all seems very personal and we may be just a little sensitive to this because this issue has gone on so long.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
I predate you here BY YEARS Ralph, many of us do. Only a very few of us post anymore from the OG squad. There is a reason for that. You got the slot to be a moderator (something that I would never want), given to you by your friend, Kiwi. So be it.
Now we come to the core of the issue....

To the broader group, I spoke with three people about becoming a moderator when I decided I needed some support modding Nasioc.

1) Seascooby
2) Nomad
3) Racer Dubuya

I asked them all if they were interested as I taking on a new role within my company and felt that someone else who was on more than I was to help. I asked all three because they were active members, involved in the community for a number of years. In the end I made the decision on Racer Dubuya not because he was my friend but I believed that he would be the best person for the job. No reflection on any of the other two.

If you have any issues with the way that we moderate then take it up with Nick the site owner, do not voice your issues here and try to undermine our roles. It does not help the group and will only end in you getting banned...

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
You weren't voted in. Does that give you the right to decide what people think or want to talk about? We were here and established long before you even joined nasioc. How overbearing of you,... taking away people's voices. Did you really, honestly think that you actually have that kind of power or that there aren't going to be negative consequences because of it? Stop trying to LORD OVER us. Quit choosing sides.
Mike, That is the intent of this thread was to give a clean slate... not to cut open old wounds... Please, please, please let this go and move on!

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
Kiwi was never like this before you became a mod. Things functioned fine without much moderator involvement at all. In supporting you, that has now painted him into a corner. Our other long time moderator, Chris (squad907) has never acted in such a fashion, nor was there need for it.
Bull****! I have to delete posts, close threads, point people continuously. Maybe you didn't see it but your actions lately have required us to do a lot of moderating on posts that impact you so maybe you are more aware of it than in the past.

Originally Posted by Nomadgene View Post
This place used to be fun. It used to be a place to let it fly and let off some steam. That would blow over and people would eventually get back to our camaraderie in it's own good time. Things worked themselves out. It used to be a community.

Now…with the meddling you've been doing, BECAUSE of your involvement….people hold onto their resentments. It carries over to the events and meets. Things never gets resolved because you quash it here or delete entire threads. People need to blow off steam and to get things off their chest. It's natural to relieve stress. People don't sit around and play patty cake all the time in real life. Do you expect them to always be PC? You don't have to continually interfere. Its not your job to control conversations or to limit what people want to talk about. You are trying to act as the big brother, thought police. Stop it.

Case in point: You and KIWI all but quashed my Thanksgiving night winter drive meet thread. Didn't matter much to me and Sonny. We still had our fun…safely.
You two simply ruined everyone else's fun. What is wrong with spontaneity?
You allow people to continually use AKIC to meet up at Bartlett jeopardizing our Autocrosses there. You've even participated in at least one gathering there yourself. A short time after killing my attempts at organizing a drive, you allowed a Tribal organized Hatcher's pass night run and you even participated in it too. It made no sense then and still doesn't. It's called meddling and selective enforcement. I guess that means when you are involved it is A-okay, and when you aren't, suddenly, it isn't allowed. Most here are adults and can decide for themselves what they want to participate in. It's called freedom of choice.

Editing my posts. Changing single words ("Feeble", …I mean, really? How did that violate anything in the forum rules?) to make things suit your taste. That is called megalomania. The question people should be asking themselves is do we need a micromanaging, meddling moderator. If they do want that, then they need to look in the mirror and say BAHHHHHHHHH! And follow the herd. Stop trying to mollify what people say. I choose my words carefully and deliberately.

I have not changed who I am or how I post since my join date in 2002. You have attempted to change AKIC under your direction.

I'll say this…I will not be handled or controlled. Trying to do so only strengthens my resolve. I know how to handle myself and mind my P's & Q's. I'm not some big, bad evil person. I don't need someone continually trying to reel me in. All of our differences make us stronger. Attempts at homogenization will be met with resistance.

It is only out of respect for what we all once had that I am even engaging this in the first place.

We don't need a shepherd. We can follow our own paths, thanks. We've been doing just fine without 'your brand" of guidance. Paul makes a good point with his comment…."looking forward to a NEW DIRECTION IN AKIC FOR OUR COMMUNITIES SAKE". Boy, I'll say.

What ever happened to Americans being free thinkers and having the grit to speak their minds? Am I of the few that still has a spine?

Remember, you asked.
You know at this point I am a little worn out and cannot answer the rest of your post....

You have three choices

1) Move on, Ralph is the moderator and that is not going to change, take advantage of this thread and put your difference behind you.

2) Continue on the path that you have created and be banned...

3) Leave on your own accord

Personally I hope you pick number 1 as you have a lot to contribute but there is now a line in sand and we cannot move off it. Sorry my friend.
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