okay i looked at the neetronics site and that seems to be a very good answer to my wishes. i also pm'ed imprezaRSfan! to see how cheap he will sell me the v8 stuff....if he sells it for less than i might go with that. the good side to the neetronics is that it has instructions and a warrenty.......what do you guys think. also everyone here should look at that site....this is a very cool product.