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Old 08-18-2022, 07:39 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Snow Drift View Post
Sedans are on the way out. Look at Ford. Mustang only. Legacy sales are miserable. Camry is not a fair comparison as it dominates the industry.
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Originally Posted by bugatti0628 View Post
I respectly disagree. The Honda accord still sells. So does the Hyundai sonata, Kia optima, nissan altima and surprisingly Cadillac has not yet given up on the sedans yet either. Not everyone is looking for only suv's, and not all subaru customers are looking at wrx either. The legacy sedan still has purpose
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Originally Posted by Snow Drift View Post
I'm not anti-sedan (I have owned many). But look at the numbers:
https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...uly-2022-sales

Impreza 17k YTD '22
Crosstrek 77k YTD '22

Legacy 15k YTD '22
Outback 101k YTD '22
Sedans are indeed on the way out; Toyota sold more Rav4s than Camrys starting in 2017, and while Camry sales continue to decline, Rav4 sales continue to increase.

Year Camry Rav4
2015 429k 315k
2016 388k 352k
2017 387k 407k
2018 343k 427k
2019 337k 448k
*2020 294k 430k
*2021 314k 407k

*Declines are related to pandemic, supply chain, etc.

It's a similar story at Honda, except that 2016 is when the CR-V overtook the Accord in sales, Accord sales continue to decline while CR-V sales continue to increase; they still sell ~200k Accords annually, but the CR-V is closer to 400k units annually (before pandemic, supply chain issues, etc.)

Sedans aren't gone yet, and are still profitable for Toyota and Honda, and I'd assume Kia/Hyundai & Luxury Marques, but for the smaller manufacturers or manufacturers that don't make significant profit on them, it makes sense to drop them from the lineup and focus on CUVs. When you're still selling ~300k units like Toyota is, sure keep on trucking for the time being, but when you're only selling >20k units? maybe it's time to remove it from the lineup and utilize that manufacturing capacity for something more profitable.

There aren't enough EV sedans out there to make a comparison to EV CUVs, but there may be a temporary saving grace for them as EV Sedans, given the same motors & Batteries, should have more range than their CUV siblings due to better aero & slightly less weigh.

Ford & Chevy couldn't compete with Honda & Toyota when it came to cars, and trucks & SUVs are their bread and butter (or silver and gold) so it made sense to dump sedans, but keep the performance cars. The Mustang & Corvette will hang on as long as they can, and although I'd take a Camaro over a Corvette (2+2 is better than 2+2golf bags in my mind) the Corvette is the more important name plate to GM, so the Camaro may drop off again, or not; now that the Vette is Mid-engine & DCT it has been further differentiated from the Camaro.

GM sells more Corvettes in a year than Subaru sells Imprezas, same for Camaros.

I mean Lambo & Ferrari started selling CUVs too, the writing is on the wall.
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