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Old 04-02-2020, 02:52 PM   #14
neg_matnik
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Originally Posted by Sid03SVT View Post
You're missing the point Pre and I are making, the GR was attractive at 257/265 and 2,800lbs with proper diffs.

There are two issues here, and the main issue is:
Toyota is stuffing that drivetrain into a chassis that is going to weigh at least 400lbs to 600lbs more; even if Toyota kept the power to weight ratio, it's going to lose a lot of fun factor due to weight gain.

To your example, people preferred the Fiesta ST to the Focus ST because it was way more fun to drive even though it was slower & less powerful, and had a torsion beam rear setup.

secondary issue:
Toyota isn't going to keep the power to weight ratio. At 10.89lbs:1hp a 3,200lb car would need 294hp, a 3,400lb car would need 321hp, and that's again assuming they keep the car down to that weight range, which is being optimistic, unless they are willing to let the price go really high.

Other potential issues:
Mechanical diffs may go by the wayside in favor of a front biased "FWD+" AWD system with some form of brake simulated limited slip.
price could go too high for what it is, the article mentions CF potentially being utilized & the golf R as a potential target.

Pre (and others) wanted a 3dr lightweight rally car for the street that the rest of the world is getting - aka hot yaris
I wanted a 5dr lightweight rally car for the street - aka hot yaris
We are not getting that, we are getting a WRX competitor, 3 years from now.

Toyota is providing too little too late (or is it too big too late?)
I hear you both and points well taken.
But, there is no WRX hatchback and there is no indication we will ever get one because Subaru has its head way deep into its own ass.
So, IMO, in 3 years, that 257-hp Corolla might come in handy and provide some alternative to Golf R - which, at this point, is the only AWD hatchback game in town -. That's all I'm saying.
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