I think the tone of your origional post was not what you meant it to be, and everything you said is 100% accurate, if I don't get the mail server up and running we probably shoudl split it up into a couple threads, one BS thread, one friday night thread, etc to keep the crap down for people who can't follow that much message volume, for whatever reason... I guess it never bothered me because i am in front of a computer all day at work.