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Old 12-13-2020, 04:40 AM   #77
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2011 11 WRX LTD


Originally Posted by Norm Peterson View Post
The main thing that got us into our 2010 LGT was the fact that it had decent power for a family sedan and specifically that it still could be had with a manual transmission. We bought it for the stick-shift driving, not the boost or any of the luxury features, and we bought our WRX for the exact same reasons. If the LGT had continued into the 2019 model year with the 6MT, we might well have gotten another.

For us, the lack of a MT is a hard no, a deal-breaker. It's just the way we want our cars to be put together. Everything else is secondary . . . at best.

Not everybody appreciates the way a CVT basically separates engine rpms from actual road speed . . . under acceleration it sounds too much like something in the powertrain is slipping, which was always a bad thing in regular production cars. Could make people think of a dying clutch if they have MT experience with that happening, or it could remind them of an AT with line pressure or low fluid level problems if they've had that sort of experience with a conventional automatic. All bad and potentially expensive things.

Another thing is that CVTs tend to be "soft" when accelerating away from a full stop. Once underway, I'm sure they're better, but you have to remember that this is an enthusiast-oriented forum and that hard acceleration away from a stop when the light goes green is still a big part of that enthusiasm for most.

I think that covers the majority of people who don't care for CVTs. I don't care for them because they're sort of like any other automatic in most respects only worse. Worse as in even more different from driving a stick-shift car.

With all due respect to 2010 GT owners, if you owned the previous generation it was failure. There's reason why the 05-09 gen didn't update their cars to 2010 models. The styling was bland, the MT was worse and had a numb feeling, and the car become a boat. You don't spend 35k on a car because of MT alone.

I see a lot of people judge a CVT on a subaru without even driven one. I don't agree with your opinion that the CVT is sort of like an automatic but worse. Like what I said before, the CVT on both my Ascent and Legacy 3.6r is better than the Forester (and Tribeca) automatics I've owned in terms of driving.

If I get the urge for MT, I just drive the wrx all weekend and eventually want to change to driving my other vehicles.
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