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Old 10-18-2020, 10:21 AM   #11
deanstevenson
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Originally Posted by DieselDorf View Post
Manual canít really be compared to autos. Much more fun but worse in terms of performance.
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I think this line exhibits a lot of ignorance.
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In what regard? Iím just curious what you are saying Iím ignorant about.

As of the past 10 or so years automatics our perform manual transmissions. This is a fact. Older cars were faster in manual form typically but auto trans (not cvt specific) are far quicker now.

You took a reasonable and defendable premise, "CVTs are underrated", and then expanded it to two additional claims that are hard if not impossible to defend.

Manual canít really be compared to autos.
Of course they can. Some cars offer automatic and manual transmissions making it trivial to compare them. They both perform the same duties.

<manuals are> Much more fun but worse in terms of performance.
That's certainly true in some cases, and absolutely not true in others. When you state absolutes instead of generalizations, it's really hard to defend them.


This is too bad because for your specific example, the Crosstrek, I came to a similar conclusion. When test driving Crosstreks in 2015, the manual implementation was so poor that I preferred the CVT.

However, that doesn't translate to "all automatics are better than all manuals because they perform better." Whereas if you would have said, "in recent years, automatics have improved a great deal and in many cases perform much better than their manual counterparts", I would have completely agreed.

Instead of educating me with your video and this thread, you've come across as wanting an argument that you're ready to expand beyond the original premise to ensure you get one.
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