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Old 06-10-2008, 12:57 PM   #51
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So...Ben Bernanke went...who else?

125+ of the most powerful people in the world, and the site has 3 pictures of the same guy, and a bunch of pictures of security guards.

This is evidence of a global conspiracy.

you don't have a meeting at a huge hotel like that for 4 people.

these are pics one person took, I'm guessing... there were other people there, lets see if any other pics pop up shall we?
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How do we know they're not photoshoped?
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:00 PM   #54
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and what is the equivalent of that interest rate compared to the value of the dollar then vs now?
It doesn't matter, it's a percentage (and a fact). Mortgage interest rates were double-digits in the (recent) past. They are lower now.

Businesses still failed in the past. Gas has been expensive in the past, rationed and so on. During WWII food was rationed, too. During the Vietnam war there was a draft and thousands of Americans died. There were commie scares, just like today we have terrorist scares. And on and on. Just like today, you can pick and choose positives and negatives to make a point, but you could do the same thing with pretty much any point in the past.

You can spend time and energy trying to figure out what's going on, or you can spend time and energy adapting and succeeding as the world changes. Right now if I wanted to start a business, I'd do something with alternative energy -- solar panel installer, wind energy, geothermal and so on. I certainly wouldn't open a SUV dealership!
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So...Ben Bernanke went...who else?

125+ of the most powerful people in the world, and the site has 3 pictures of the same guy, and a bunch of pictures of security guards.

This is evidence of a global conspiracy.
Here's who went..
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnos...erg-atten.html

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I just seem to find a lot of odd coincidences that pique my interests. Supposed power-broker meeting in Chantilly, VA, democratic presidential nominee and possible vice president nominee meet secretly after an 'event' in Virginia.

I dunno.
Thats all I'm trying to do. I want people to Question these things. These are people, many of whom are paid by the tax payers, and they claim to have our best interests at heart but have these secret meetings, and under the table dealings... why the big secret? what are they hiding.

they want to know everything about us, what we say on the internet, what we say on the phone, what we write in our mail...but tell us nothing about themselves.


I am uncomfortable with that and the rest of this country should be too.
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are you saying that things have not changed for the worse for the public, and for the better for these elitists in that time?
We're at the end (hopefully) of a political cycle dominated by conservative ideas, well neocon ideas anyway.

When Reagan was first elected, the idea was that, by emphasizing individual liberty, personal responsiiblity, and by allowing capitalism to work unfettered by government, greater wealth would be created and there would be a better standard of living for everyone. Worked too, for a while. Unfortunately what was a pretty good idea then has degenerated over 25 plus years of neocon rule into short-sighted greed and vicious selfishness.

Not too surprising, every political trend runs out of steam eventually, becomes decadent. There's no conspiracy, just a lot of greedheads going for themselves.
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Here's who went..
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnos...erg-atten.html

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Heres a fun project,

take some of those names and punch them into this database:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Read the part about what the press that was in attendance thought.
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Here's who went..
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnos...erg-atten.html

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I see the list...and I see 3 pictures of the same guy, and no one else.

Again, 125 of the most powerful people in the world...and a dude with a camera out front. 3 pictures of one guy...no pictures of the other 124+ most powerful people in the world.

You're saying that isn't at all...I don't know...weird?
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Thats all I'm trying to do. I want people to Question these things. These are people, many of whom are paid by the tax payers, and they claim to have our best interests at heart but have these secret meetings, and under the table dealings... why the big secret? what are they hiding.
What big secret? They published a press release. They released the names of all those in attendance (only about 5 of whom, by the way, are paid by US taxpayers). If they were so secretive, wouldn't they be a little more discrete?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Read the part about what the press that was in attendance thought.
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"nothing different except for the influence of the participants."
that right there should make you think.
These people have a lot of power and make decisions that affect our lives.
and they are not in the business of making the world a better place for anything but their own wallets and pocketbooks, at the expense of everything you care about.
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We're at the end (hopefully) of a political cycle dominated by conservative ideas, well neocon ideas anyway.

When Reagan was first elected, the idea was that, by emphasizing individual liberty, personal responsiiblity, and by allowing capitalism to work unfettered by government, greater wealth would be created and there would be a better standard of living for everyone. Worked too, for a while. Unfortunately what was a pretty good idea then has degenerated over 25 plus years of neocon rule into short-sighted greed and vicious selfishness.

Not too surprising, every political trend runs out of steam eventually, becomes decadent. There's no conspiracy, just a lot of greedheads going for themselves.
Don't know why you are saying "hopefully" we're at the end of a political cycle. Reagan's adherence to conservative ideals turned the country around from the mess that the Democrats had put us in. We won the Cold War and had huge economic booms during the 80s and 90s. The issue now is that Bush's economic policies aren't conservative, they are liberal. And that's what is hurting our economy. We need to get back closer towards the Reagan model and we'll be better off.
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Things are much better for the middle class now than they were 30 years ago.
I think 30 years ago is the wrong period to compare to, because the late 70's were some pretty rough times here. Compare to 50 or 60 years ago, and the middle class is significantly worse off. Tax rates are quite a bit higher for the middle class, and it's all but impossible to buy a home on one income these days. That's quite a bit different from just after WW2, when dad worked, mom stayed home and raised the kids, and a suburban house with 2.2 kids and a dog was within reach for almost anyone who was willing to work for it.

But I'll agree that things aren't really as bad these days as people are making them out to be. It's pretty hard to cry about how tough times are when you're living in a half-million dollar house, you have multiple 42+ inch flat screen TVs in our house, you and your S.O. both commute to work alone in $50,000 SUVs, etc. We've just been spoiled by a ridiculously-high level of consumerism, and living for the minute while forgetting about the future. I think the current fuel price crisis will be a little bit of a wake-up call for people to stop living above their means, and scaling their lifestyle to fit their income, rather than mortgaging their future to have all the toys now.
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that right there should make you think.
These people have a lot of power and make decisions that affect our lives.
and they are not in the business of making the world a better place for anything but their own wallets and pocketbooks, at the expense of everything you care about.
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Another conspiracy-adherent Daniel Estulin, writing in Nexus magazine, a magazine which runs anti-vaccination, Big foot, and UFO articles, along with glowing advertorials for Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi linked David Irving and his writings,[13] claims the long-term purpose of Bilderberg is to "Build a One-World Empire." He states the group "is not the end but the means to a future One World Government".[14]
That right there should make you stop thinking.
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You know Q, I would rather have a secret committee of shadowy bankers and media elite ruling the world than a crackpot like yourself. I'll sacrifice my right to vote for my secret overlords if in so doing it also prevents you from voting for whatever moonbat netroots you dig up on www.bat*****crazyconspiracy.com or wherever it is you get these articles...
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It's pretty hard to cry about how tough times are when you're living in a half-million dollar house, you have multiple 42+ inch flat screen TVs in our house, you and your S.O. both commute to work alone in $50,000 SUVs, etc. We've just been spoiled by a ridiculously-high level of consumerism, and living for the minute while forgetting about the future.

That right there is what these people want.. keep driving your SUV, keep buying thier garbage. they win, we lose.


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that right there should make you think.
These people have a lot of power and make decisions that affect our lives.
and they are not in the business of making the world a better place for anything but their own wallets and pocketbooks, at the expense of everything you care about.
Pffft, please. Most people are only looking out for themselves. It's a bunch of people getting together and hob-nobbing and patting themselves on the back. Your original premise doesn't work, like it was said before, the middle class is what allows the rich to be very rich.

For someone that lives a couple roadblocks away from a gigantic prison, you wear that tinfoil hat pretty damn tight.
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That right there is what these people want.. keep driving your SUV, keep buying thier garbage. they win, we lose.


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I think 30 years ago is the wrong period to compare to, because the late 70's were some pretty rough times here. Compare to 50 or 60 years ago, and the middle class is significantly worse off. Tax rates are quite a bit higher for the middle class, and it's all but impossible to buy a home on one income these days.
You can thank FDR's, JFK's, and LBJ's social welfare for that.

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That's quite a bit different from just after WW2, when dad worked, mom stayed home and raised the kids, and a suburban house with 2.2 kids and a dog was within reach for almost anyone who was willing to work for it.
That is still easily possible. The problem is, instead of just having the 2.2 kids in suburbia, everyone today has to have their 2+ cars, 42" television sets and cell phones for everyone in the family.

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But I'll agree that things aren't really as bad these days as people are making them out to be. It's pretty hard to cry about how tough times are when you're living in a half-million dollar house, you have multiple 42+ inch flat screen TVs in our house, you and your S.O. both commute to work alone in $50,000 SUVs, etc. We've just been spoiled by a ridiculously-high level of consumerism, and living for the minute while forgetting about the future. I think the current fuel price crisis will be a little bit of a wake-up call for people to stop living above their means, and scaling their lifestyle to fit their income, rather than mortgaging their future to have all the toys now.
You've really kinda hit it. Some people try to keep up with the Joneses, and they are the ones that are hurting. But in general, the middle class is much, much better off now than at ANY point in history.
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Compare to 50 or 60 years ago, and the middle class is significantly worse off. Tax rates are quite a bit higher for the middle class, and it's all but impossible to buy a home on one income these days. That's quite a bit different from just after WW2, when dad worked, mom stayed home and raised the kids, and a suburban house with 2.2 kids and a dog was within reach for almost anyone who was willing to work for it.

But I'll agree that things aren't really as bad these days as people are making them out to be. It's pretty hard to cry about how tough times are when you're living in a half-million dollar house, you have multiple 42+ inch flat screen TVs in our house, you and your S.O. both commute to work alone in $50,000 SUVs, etc. We've just been spoiled by a ridiculously-high level of consumerism, and living for the minute while forgetting about the future. I think the current fuel price crisis will be a little bit of a wake-up call for people to stop living above their means, and scaling their lifestyle to fit their income, rather than mortgaging their future to have all the toys now.
It's all those extras that require the 2nd job. Live in a house without:
*gasp*
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That right there should make you stop thinking.
eventually earth will need to be under a single government. it's not revolutionary, it's evolutionary.
but do you really want these greedy bastards in control of it?



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You know Q, I would rather have a secret committee of shadowy bankers and media elite ruling the world than a crackpot like yourself. I'll sacrifice my right to vote for my secret overlords if in so doing it also prevents you from voting for whatever moonbat netroots you dig up on www.bat*****crazyconspiracy.com or wherever it is you get these articles...

wow!! did it take all 4 braincells to type that?
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:19 PM   #74
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It's all those extras that require the 2nd job. Live in a house with:
*gasp*
1 car garage
1 mid size sedan
no cell phones
1 tv (if you're lucky)
1 land line/phone
no computers
no cable/internet
no gym memberships
etc.
30 years ago, I had ONE game console during my childhood.

People waste so much money now that they think they need all this crap to live, so that they think they need to have two incomes in a family. But the reality, however hard to find, is different.
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30 years ago, I had ONE game console during my childhood.

People waste so much money now that they think they need all this crap to live, so that they think they need to have two incomes in a family. But the reality, however hard to find, is different.
Meant to say ..in a house without.

Elucas beat me to it too Damn you elucas! Damn you to hell!
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