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Old 07-30-2014, 01:53 PM   #851
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Yup, very good points on the EFR. You could consider the older airwerks turbos like the s300sx (83-75). Its journal bearing, oil cooler, much cheaper, etc. Its been on my radar.

You are saying stock location then? Justin put a Dom 4.0 on his RS with the new motor. 9:1 CR, S2 cams, etc. We maxed the turbo out and it put down 580 whp @ 30 psi on the superflow dyno. Its damn quick for a stock location turbo car.
Yeah, an older style BW could be an option. I really like the v-band in/out housing that PTE has for no extra charge. Back when it was like $800 for a 6266 it was such a steal. Even with the slightly higher prices now I still think they're one of the best options.

I am staying stock location for now. At least through September so I can be in the stock appearing class at MAP Proving Grounds again. His DOM 4 setup looks good. Spools somewhat late like mine did. Hopefully I don't get much later or it won't be wide enough even for drag.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:27 PM   #852
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Yeah, an older style BW could be an option. I really like the v-band in/out housing that PTE has for no extra charge. Back when it was like $800 for a 6266 it was such a steal. Even with the slightly higher prices now I still think they're one of the best options.

I am staying stock location for now. At least through September so I can be in the stock appearing class at MAP Proving Grounds again. His DOM 4 setup looks good. Spools somewhat late like mine did. Hopefully I don't get much later or it won't be wide enough even for drag.
Yeah, those turbos are certainly a good bang for the buck. It kind of seemed like they've been problematic for some guys though with oil seal issues. Maybe that's gotten better.

I'm actually trying to get some guys to come up MAP's Sept event since its not far for us. I've always wanted to attend one. Maybe we'll see you there.

Yeah, the peak boost and peak torque hit pretty late on his setup, especially on the dyno. Its more responsive on the street and its already starting to rip before peak boost hits. It is setup to rev to 8,000 and makes pretty good torque out to 7500 so that helps a bit with making the powerband more useful.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:42 PM   #853
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Yeah, those turbos are certainly a good bang for the buck. It kind of seemed like they've been problematic for some guys though with oil seal issues. Maybe that's gotten better.

I'm actually trying to get some guys to come up MAP's Sept event since its not far for us. I've always wanted to attend one. Maybe we'll see you there.

Yeah, the peak boost and peak torque hit pretty late on his setup, especially on the dyno. Its more responsive on the street and its already starting to rip before peak boost hits. It is setup to rev to 8,000 and makes pretty good torque out to 7500 so that helps a bit with making the powerband more useful.
I think 5+ years ago people were blowing PTE turbo's like crazy. But recently they seem to be doing great. And I think their price increases are reflecting that. I should be at MAP as well as some other NF cars (hopefully).

I was running the STX 71 up to 7,500 or even a little higher just to get a decent powerband. The power really didn't come on until close to 5,000. Ideally I'd want at least 3k of powerband.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:06 AM   #854
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:03 PM   #855
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What turbo did you decide on?
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:12 PM   #856
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It is a 60mm. That's the largest compressor inducer that fits with the stock size inlet (easier install).
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:04 PM   #857
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Update:
  • The new turbo I put on the car is the Kinugawa TD06H 60-1 with Billet wheel. Thanks to Nuke at NF Performance for the hook up on the turbo! This turbo is a 60mm compressor, which is the largest size that can fit in the stock sized inlet (for easier install).
  • This compressor is 6mm larger than the STX 71 turbo (that I previously had). The TD06H hotside is also quite a bit bigger (than the TD06SL2 that the last turbo had). This turbo is somewhat comparable in size to a GT 35R, FP Red, PTE 5858, DOM4 XTR, etc.
Here is it compared to some other turbo's commonly used on Subaru's:

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Brand		Turbo		CmpInd	CmpExd	TrbInd	TrbExd	Flow	CHRA Bearings	Mounting
Precision	PTE 6266	62.00	81.99	74.17	66.00	73.5	Either		Rotated
Forced Perf	FP Red 		61.21	81.79	67.00	59.00	65.0	Journal Bearing	Stock
Garrett		GTX 3576R	58.00	76.60	68.00	62.20	65.0	Ball Bearing	Both
Garrett		GTX 3076R	58.00	76.60	60.00	54.90	64.0	Ball Bearing	Both
Precision	PTE 5858	58.00	76.20	64.90	57.91	62.0	Either		Rotated
MHI		TD06H 60-1 	60.00	76.00	67.00	58.80	61.0	Journal Bearing	Stock
Blouch		Dom 4.0 XT-R	60.00	82.00	64.00	58.60	60.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
BorgWarner	EFR 7163	57.00	71.00	63.00	N/A	60.0	Ball Bearing	Rotated
Garrett		GT 3582R	61.40	82.00	68.00	62.20	60.0	Ball Bearing	Both
Blouch		Dom 3.5 XT-R	57.00	76.00	64.00	58.60	58.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
BorgWarner	BW 7670		56.00	76.00	70.00	61.00	58.0	Journal Bearing	Rotated
Garrett		GTX 3071R	54.10	71.40	60.00	54.90	56.0	Ball Bearing	Both
Steam		STX 71		54.10	71.40	61.00	54.10	56.0	Journal Bearing	Stock
Blouch		Dom 3.0 XT-R	57.00	76.00	60.00	54.90	55.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
Garrett		GT 3076R	57.00	76.20	60.00	54.90	52.5	Ball Bearing	Both
Blouch		Dom 2.5 XT-R	53.00	71.00	60.00	54.90	49.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
Blouch		Dom 1.5 XT-R	53.00	71.00	56.50	51.70	49.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
MHI		TD06SL2 20G	52.50	68.00	61.00	54.00	47.4	Journal Bearing	Stock
Blouch		20G XT-R	52.00	68.00	56.50	51.70	47.0	Ball Bearing	Stock
IHI		VF39/48/52	46.50	60.00	52.80	47.88	34.0	Journal Bearing	Stock
Here are some photos of the turbo prior to install (it is a little dirty because I had been handling it and doing test fittings to make sure I got all the fittings and lines set up properly).

Here's the stock photo. The turbo really does come with everything you see.


Here's the photo of mine. At this point I had:
  • Removed the Kinugawa billet wastegate actuator.
  • Installed the GrimmSpeed wastegate block off arm.
  • Installed the oil drain fitting and gasket.
  • Installed both coolant banjo fittings.
  • All other included parts can be seen in the photo.


The included oil line is very nice. It looks just like the FP kit I have on the car.


Also included are braided SS coolant lines (terminated with a barb fitting).


The turbo comes with a nice billet wastegate actuator. I'm not using it due to my EWG setup.


Front. Note the very thin inlet due to the 60mm compressor wheel just barely fitting in a 2.4" inlet.


Rear. 8cm hotside.


Coolant lines on the top ports. There is not enough room to use the bottom port (like the OEM fitting).


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  • Overall it went pretty smoothly. The turbo fits pretty well for jamming something similar to a 35R into a stock location setup. The braided coolant lines work out nicely the way I set them up. Everything bolts up without much of an issue.
  • I did have to run the oil feed under the inlet and around to the other side of the turbo so the line could squeeze between the turbine housing and the coolant banjo fitting. There wasn't enough room on the passenger side.
  • I got it all done last night, primed the turbo, and fired it up. I ran it for a long time (30-40min) with a funnel in the coolent reservoir trying to burp the air out of the cooling system, but the bubbles just kept coming.
  • Eventually I shut the car off and then could hear a leak from the CHRA area. It was losing coolant. Not a lot, but enough so it wasn't usable. I couldn't pinpoint the exact location. The coolant line banjo fittings seemed tight.
  • Today after work I took off the FMIC pipe, the oil feed line, and the coolant feed line/banjo. This allowed me to access the plug in the lower cooling ports in the CHRA. The one on the driver side was completely loose!
  • I tightened that down and put everything else back together. Fired it up and burped the air out within maybe 15 min. The fans only had to kick on a couple times and then the bubbles stopped.
Here's a photo showing how the coolant lines are run.


And here's a engine bay shot of the current setup.


Notes:
  • I also reversed the airflow in the FMIC setup. All I had to do was wiggle the pipes a bit and the last two could be hooked into the opposite things (turbo vs. throttle body).
  • This should keep the air going into the motor a lot cooler because it's not going right over the turbo before going into the throttle body. I really don't know why they were ever set up like this in the first place.
  • The turbo is not tuned yet. Hopefully Nuke will be able to fit me in sometime soon. I am looking forward to seeing how this turbo will pan out. I'm hoping it will make a bit more power than the last one. We'll see...
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:25 PM   #858
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Jeeze man, 450 WHP just wasn't good enough :P

(Seriously though, this thing just keeps getting more awesome.)
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:27 PM   #859
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Jeeze man, 450 WHP just wasn't good enough :P

(Seriously though, this thing just keeps getting more awesome.)
No, of course not. LOL.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:19 AM   #860
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Nuke did some tuning on my car tonight. I had to switch the FMIC pipes back because one was hitting the hood and kept popping off once we got to 25psi. Seems to be making good power for the boost it's at. The spool feels slightly better than the last turbo (which I found was leaking at the uppipe when I took it off). Need to turn it up some more soon!
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Old 08-07-2014, 02:44 AM   #861
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can't wait to see what it does!
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Old 08-07-2014, 01:00 PM   #862
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Nuke spent a few hours tweaking the tune and did many revisions last night. The car is driving great. It is smoother and more well behaved off boost than it ever has been since I got it. The response is good, although it does come on in the higher RPM range, as expected with a 60mm turbo. He also did some more WOT tuning of course

The power delivery is very smooth. It doesn't slam the midrange like a smaller turbo. It just builds and keeps climbing. Even revving it out to close to 8k the power is still there. Butt dyno just feels like it's going up and up the further you rev. Boost comes on sooner than the STX 71 (54mm compressor), but I did find I had an uppipe to turbo leak once I pulled that turbo off (PHOTO).

The 60-1 is currently tuned to around 30psi and it holds it flat all the way to redline. The Virtual Dyno shows it making 484 WHP / 426 WTQ. Not a huge jump in peak, but it's just a Virtual Dyno plot, so the 1/4 traps will tell the real story. It hits 20psi (and 300WHP) at around 4,400rpm's. It makes 400WHP at about 5,000rpm's and then climbs/flattens out to redline. It's a decent powerband for the street and plenty for drag. I am hoping this setup can get me close to 10's.



Compared to the STX71 (which had the uppipe to turbo leak hurting the spool, but still made decent power and trapped 122mph) the 60-1 setup has a decent bump in power throughout the rev range, and has power coming on 300-400rpm's sooner. Both hold boost well. The STX 71 was peaking around 27psi vs about 30psi for the 60-1. I think if I can pick up a few mph through the traps with the new setup I will be close to 10's with a good pass.



Versus the prototype STX 71 (which was a 53mm compressor inducer instead of 54mm of the production turbo) the 60-1 spools later by a few hundred RPM's but holds boost a lot better on the top end. I think this is a more typical example of what would happen when you go to a larger turbo (the STX71 was a bit of an anomaly since it had the uppipe leak and spooled slow for its size).

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Here's a quick speedo video of my car running through the gears with the Kinugawa 60-1. The 50-100mph time is around 4.8 seconds. It was in the 5.5 second range when I was at the dragstrip with the STX71 (11.4s @ 122mph passes). With the 60-1 it seems like the car is still really moving in the 100mph+ range.

Kinugawa TD06H 60-1 @ 30psi on E85 Video

50-100mph is 4.8 seconds
484WHP on Virtual Dyno (Dynojet)

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Old 08-08-2014, 12:23 AM   #864
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I did some comparisons vs. my old setups.
  • I did 50-110mph because the extra top end really starts to show the differences in the faster setups. I didn't do higher than 110mph because I didn't have speedo vids that high for all the setups.
  • I only used videos from when my cars had the 6 speed transmissions. The 5 speed gearing can skew things a bit depending on what speed range you choose and how many shifts are needed.

50-110MPH | 2nd/3rd/4th Gear | 6MT Long Gears

5.78s | 2011 WRX | Precision 6266 | 30psi | 2nd/3rd/4th Gear
6.10s | 2002 WRX | Kinugawa 60-1 | 30psi | 2nd/3rd/4th Gear
6.53s | 2011 WRX | Blouch 20G XTR | 28psi | 4th Gear ONLY
7.37s | 2002 WRX | SteamSpeed STX71| 27psi | 2nd/3rd/4th Gear
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What do you in that car now? Like $90,000?
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:22 AM   #866
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What do you in that car now? Like $90,000?
The turbo change didn't really cost a lot out of pocket.

So, still like $70,000.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:41 AM   #867
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Great analysis of your various turbo options, the power looks great too. I liked your idea to reverse the flow of the FMIC to avoid the heat off the turbo, bummer it popped at 25psi though. I totally agree they should try and design it like that! Either way, car looks great and that power is solid! Nice work as always!!
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The turbo change didn't really cost a lot out of pocket.

So, still like $70,000.
LOL....I see where this going.

All kidding aside, I do envy you. You're proof that if you actually wrench on these cars yourself, have local shop you can trust for the big jobs, and have a solid understanding of these cars, you can save a ton of money and have one hell of a ride. Nice job.
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looks dumb. needs more fender exit and fog light mount.

hurry up and get to the fun stuff.
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Nice improvement. I think your VD numbers have got to be low based on your boost and how the car revs out. I bet you are in the low to mid 500s.

Did you make a custom profile for VD that has the right weight, areo and gearing your car since you swapped the transmission?
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Great analysis of your various turbo options, the power looks great too. I liked your idea to reverse the flow of the FMIC to avoid the heat off the turbo, bummer it popped at 25psi though. I totally agree they should try and design it like that! Either way, car looks great and that power is solid! Nice work as always!!
I think if I cut off a bit of some of the pipes I could probably make it work. I also picked up a couple spare pipes from an FMS kit that I could also use. I'll have to try and work on that later.

I have no idea why companies went with this flow direction a decade ago. I could kind of understand it if the pipe off the compressor went straight over to the driver side strut tower area (like the Perrin kit), but this setup has a 90 deg off the turbo, then a nearly 180 deg turn back to the front. It makes no sense at all. The newer kits all seem to have figured this out and route the air clockwise.

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LOL....I see where this going.

All kidding aside, I do envy you. You're proof that if you actually wrench on these cars yourself, have local shop you can trust for the big jobs, and have a solid understanding of these cars, you can save a ton of money and have one hell of a ride. Nice job.
Thanks. It's great to have NF there to help me figure out the issues when I screw something up.

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looks dumb. needs more fender exit and fog light mount.

hurry up and get to the fun stuff.
Hey *******. Stop trying to act cool and give away all my secrets. Maybe I'll just do a center mount and hood dump out of spite.
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Nice improvement. I think your VD numbers have got to be low based on your boost and how the car revs out. I bet you are in the low to mid 500s.

Did you make a custom profile for VD that has the right weight, areo and gearing your car since you swapped the transmission?
No, I'm not using a custom VD profile. I'm just using the 07 STI. It is the right gearing and the same chassis (although different body work). I think it should be pretty close, but the weight is actually probably a couple hundred pounds too high. So if anything it would seem the power numbers should be inflated, but watching the speedo vids it seems they are conservative.

EDIT: I did input the correct tire size (which is a hair taller than most GD's). That bumps the power up a little bit. Occupant weight is entered to be approx. correct (including driver, passenger, and tools).

I don't really know, and I'm not overly worried about it. It feels like it's probably close to 500WHP and a bit lighter than most street driven Subaru's out there (STI's and GR's especially), but the track times will tell for sure.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:55 PM   #874
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Very cool, Ben!

Hoping for 10.90s!
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:16 PM   #875
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Any worries about the drivetrain components blowing up at this point? That's a lot more than stock power, even compared to the car that donated its engine and transmission. I can't remember how much else you replaced.
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