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Old 09-23-2015, 08:43 PM   #1
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Saw this idea on Facebook, so I dusted off my username and thought V should post this...

A lot of FA20's are dying under mysterious circumstances on dynos and streets across the country and a list would be very useful to try and determine what is at fault or at least find some pattern.

Post up Modifications, i.e. engine management, modifications, fuel, circumstances and what actually failed in the motor. Try to keep it short and concise as possible, this is meant to be a list not a novel.

If you got logs post'em too.

Post the tuners name?... Well that's your decision, but I don't think it's necessary to do so.

Here is the template:

Model/Year:
Milage:
EM:
Mods:
Fuel:
Oil:
Circumstances:
Actual engine failure:


I'll go first and post about my stock 15 WRX

1. Vader:
Model/Year: 2015 WRX
Milage: 10k miles
EM: Cobb AP stage 1 OTS
Mods: Stock
Fuel: 91 octane
Oil:Subaru 5W30
Circumstances:On dyno about to get a stage 1 protune, tuner was getting a baseline did 3 pulls then said something didn't feel right, power dropped off on third pull, no knock events. At idle cylinder 3 was rough, at 2000 rpm cylinder 3 was very rough and the exhaust smelled like rotten eggs.
Actual engine failure: Cylinder 3 ring land failure, catalytic converter clogged or turned.

2. ThaCoyote:
Model/Year:15 WRX
Milage:47xx miles
EM: Cobb AP E-Protune
Mods: ETS Intake, Invidia Tbe, grimmspeed 3port Ebcs, Clark Turner E85 E-Tune
Fuel: E85 (ethanol percentage not exactly known)
Oil:Eneous sustina oil Hks oil filter
Circumstances:Car blew up on dyno on 3rd pull. 1st pull it made 340/380 went on 3rd pull car was not being dyno by Clark it appears to of leaned out I'm assuming the fuel pump caused this issue rod went through the block and split in half when it split it caused minor damage to the heads.
Actual engine failure: Unknown at this time / inconclusive

3. Paprocjo:
Model/Year: 2015 WRX
Milage: 21k miles
EM: Cobb AP, Protune
Mods: ETS Intake/Extreme Catback Exhaust, Killer B Motorsports JPipe and I Pipe (Both Catless), GS EBCS, IAG TGV Deletes
Fuel: 93 octane, Costco Top Tier Gas station
Oil:Subaru 5W30
Circumstances:On dyno doing regular pull
Actual engine failure: Not confirmed.

4. psyclobe:
Model/Year: 2015 WRX Base
Milage: 17630
EM: Cobb AP
Mods: IAG AOS/ETS Intake/ETS Intercooler/ETS Turbo Back Exhaust/TGV Deletes/ProTune/Grimmspeed 3 port/Mishimoto radiator
Fuel: Propel E85
Oil: ENEOS 5w-40
Circumstances: Highway pull in 6th gear WOT
Actual engine failure: Piston linkage to rod shattered (was not low on oil)

5. Berkalurk:
Model/Year: 2015 wrx limited with nav/hk and push start
Mileage: 7000
EM: None / stock
Mods: None / stock
Fuel: 93 octane
Oil: dealership changed Subaru 5W30
Circumstances: was parked all day. No CEL. Came to car after work and wouldn't crank. Towed to dealership.
Actual engine failure: was told that the engine was seized despite being full on oil. Long block was taken out and shipped to SoA. New long block from SoA put in. Currently is back at dealership for slow long cranks.

6. Silentblack:
Model/Year: 2015 base wrx
Milage: 10,000
EM: oem (stock)
Mods: stock
Fuel: 91
Oil: oem subaru oil (5w30?)
Circumstances: Driving my car on the highway when I experienced a loss in power and what I thought was a boost leak.
Parked it key off/on check engine light was now on.
Limped my car home about 40 miles. Time I got to my road I knew something major was wrong. Car ended up dying right at my driveway, and had to push it into the garage.
Actual engine failure: Was told "high boost at low rpm" and "cylinder 3 had let go."
Also to note I was missing a lot of coolant, so headgasket too?

7. alpertbrown:
Model/Year:2015 wrx base
Milage:2,213
EM: oem
Mods: all stock
Fuel: cali 91
Oil: oem
Circumstances: exited freeway made a turn saw a light at an intersection turning yellow sped up a bit to make it, felt like i hit fuel cut (ie just about any toyota turbo engine when overboosting) lots of lights on the dash car died, pulled over. looked at the engine, i saw no rods sticking out or any leaking fluids, started her right up and got a definite rod knock plus check engine light. got the car towed back home will check in with dealership in the morning. car was properly broken in per subaru manual recommendation. the only thing i can think of was that i purchased the car brand new from subaru but it had 80 miles on it, so some subaru techs and test drivers prolly drove the **** out of it.
Actual engine failure: not really sure this just happened on the way home from picking up my brother in law from the airport

8. sidesleeper:
Model/Year: 2015 WRX 6spd manual
Milage: 4500 miles
EM: Cobb AP stg 1
Mods: Stock OEM
Fuel: 91
Oil: Stock OEM
Circumstances: Tuner was on the dyno, doing the last pull on a custom stage 1 Protune and all of a sudden, around 5500 RPM the cars power starting giving out and the tuner let off, at that time water temps were normal at 90 deg C, Dyno fans were on, A/F was proper, No knock events, 16 psi boost. A second later after the tuner let off and was coasting down the water temp shot up to 108 deg C and the car died, water coming out the exhaust.
Actual engine failure: Water pump seized, caused the engine to overheat and blew a head gasket that allowed coolant to go into the combustion chamber and hydrolocked the engine. No one knows why the internal water pump seized, but it is a new design, so who knows.

9. asspirin
Model/Year:2015 WRX Premium
Milage: 19xxx
EM: K&N drop-in filter
Mods: Stock
Fuel: 91
Oil: Dealership changed
Circumstances: Noticed severe power loss under medium acceleration, hard engine clicking sounds, but seemed to only be under boost. Brought it in, was told that the #3 cylinder spark plug had melted. (wtf?) They replaced all the plugs and the problem went away for a while, but came back just as bad a few days later. Brought it back in, they had to replace the short block. Been okay since then.
Actual engine failure: Blown short block on piston 3, melted #3 spark plug.

10. luden9219
Model/Year: 2015 WRX
Milage: ~10k
EM: Cobb AP, etune
Mods: ETS intake, Grimmspeed EBCS, Grimmspeed catless J-Pipe, stock CBE.
Fuel: 93 - Mobil 1
Oil: Dealership changed
Circumstances: I noticed loss of power and confirmed on virtual dyno. Contacted tuner to see if he could find a reason. His reply was something on the car was fighting him and it couldnt be diagnosed thru email as logs looked good. I was seeing a little knock (-2.81) around 5500rpm but it quickly went away. Went to local tune shop to see if they could find anything. Put it on dyno to get a baseline and boom.
Actual engine failure: Ringland failure is what I was told. New longblock.

11. Moto-East
Model/Year:2015 WRX
Milage:?
EM: Ecutek?
Mods:?
Fuel:93?
Oil:?
Circumstances: ?
Actual engine failure: #1 piston cracked in two

12. SD2015
Model/Year: 2015 WRX
Milage: Roughly 9K
EM: Cobb AP, Protune was in progress
Mods: ETS CAI, ETS CATBACK, GRIMMSPEED J PIPE, GRIMMSPEED BOOST CONTROLLER, IAG TGV DELETES, IAG AOS.
Fuel:93
Circumstances: WAS HAVING PROTUNE DONE AND WAS WAY DOWN ON POWER, COMPRESSION TEST WAS PERFORMED AND #2 CYLINDER WAS LOW.
Actual engine failure: DURING ASSEMBLY AT SUBARU EXCESSIVE RTV WAS USED AND CAUSED OIL PASSAGEWAYS TO BE BLOCKED CAUSING OIL STARVATION TO #2 ROD BEARING AND PISTON.

13. Hail2TheThief
Model/Year: 2015
Milage: 30k km
EM: none
Mods: none
Fuel: 91 octane
Oil: Subaru stealership oil
Circumstances: Daily driving. Started detonating (sounded like popcorn), Subaru upgraded firmware at 2nd oil change (no more popcorn), between 2nd and 3rd oil change it ate 3.5 liters of oil. Started oil consumption test, 1400km in it ate 1.6Liters of oil and miss fire engine code.
Actual engine failure: Car has been at dealer for 3 weeks! Was just told they got approval to replace short block. Compression down on at least one cylinder.

14. iamdaspoon
Model/Year: 2015 WRX Base 6spd
Milage:67xx
EM: Cobb, Dual map dyno tune
Mods: Mishimoto intake, Mishimoto FMIC, Grimmspeed EBCS, Invidia catless TBE, TGV, EGR.
Fuel:e85
Oil: 5w30 redline synthetic
Circumstances: 1-2-3rd gear pull merging onto empty highway when motor started making VERY loud clacking noises respective to my rpm.
Actual engine failure: Tuner/shop says its likely a spun bearing or bent rod. Awaiting a full tear down.

15. nofear72784
Model/Year:2015 WRX Limited
Milage:8,000
Mods: Pro-tuned, Mishi Intake, Verticooler, tgv del, 3" catless
Fuel: 93
Oil: Subaru
Circumstances: Reported issues of oil consumption since new, was told it was "within spec" 1 quart every 3k. Going 40mph at 15% TP and -4 inHG. Check engine light and cruise light came on them immediate loud "POP" and car died. Opened hood to find a hole in the block. Before the oil change car went 2800 to Florida without issue besides oil consumption.
Actual engine failure: Been at the dealership since Dec 26. Authorized 3.5k for engine teardown since SOA would not cover anything. First, fuel quality was blamed, then oil level (1k since subaru did the LOF) STILL awaiting an "official" cause of failure from a field engineer. Freeze frame data showed sudden loss of oil pressure with cam actuator codes. When engine was pulled the block had a 6" hole on top and a fracture that went around the circumference of the block from #2 rod. Cyl 3 and 4 ring land failure. Dealership want's 16k for a new long block. Failure has been escalated to the regional representative for review. Coming up on 1
month without a vehicle.

16. Sschmuve
Model/Year:2015 WRX
Milage:29,500 miles
EM:Cobb Accessport with Clark Turner e- tune
Mods:ETS intake, Invidia catted j-pipe, TurboXS exhaust
Fuel:91 ACN
Oil:Mobil1 oil
Circumstances:Knocked during full throttle pull. Misfire cyl #4 caused by bent plug (0 gap). Replaced plug, reflashed to prior map revision. A couple weeks later, same scenario, closed gap on plug 4, but this time a tapping noise appeared and persisted. Subaru 100% goodwill warranty (Thank God) after 2.5 months at the dealer. Replaced with new complete engine.
Actual engine failure: All four pistons had cracked/broken skirts. Also, #4 ringland
Then immediately traded for a '16 Golf R. I no longer had faith in that engine.

17. fl1p
Model/Year:2015 WRX
Milage:14k
EM:Tuned by me, reviewed and tweaked by three different Cobb PROTuners
Mods:Catted turboback, EGR, AOS, TGV, TMIC
Fuel:93 Exclusively
Oil:Penzoil Ultra Plat 5w30, OEM Filters
Circumstances:4th gear road pull
Actual engine failure:Spun bearing (not sure which yet, will report when we know) Updated: Spun main bearing
Build Thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2782772

18. KillerBMotorsport? post#629

19. SubieProud86
Model/Year:15 WRX 6 spd
Milage:27k
EM: Cobb AP Stage 2 Protune
Mods: Grkmmspeed EBCS, cobb intake, turboback from invidia
Fuel: 93
Oil:manufacturer recommended
Circumstances:Car blew up on Dyno. Tune was pretty much done just doing 2 more pulls to make minor adjustments. Heard a loud boom...fluid on the bottom
Actual engine failure: rod failure...pis ton screamed helped. Still grieving to this day. No longer Sube proud

20. EdWRX
Model/Year:2016 WRX Premium
Milage:7000
EM: Stock
Mods:Stock
Fuel:93
Oil:OEM
Circumstances: Took a family trip, when I get off the highway and into a stop light, white smoke coming from the engine, engine never overheated, but radiator cracked and all the coolant was on the pavement. I'm pissed that a car so new can be so unreliable.
Actual engine failure: Still waiting what the dealership is gonna say. I'm still under the "5 day money back guaranteed", I might just drop that one there and get another car.

21. Goostavo
Model/Year: 2016 Premium 6 speed
Milage: 9200
EM: Stock
Mods: Nameless muffler deletes
Fuel: 91
Oil: OEM 5w-30
Circumstances: Motor knocking @ 1500-3000 RPM, low throttle application, no CEL.
Actual engine failure: Spun bearing on cylinder #2, piston damaged cylinder wall. Short block replaced. After short block replacement, coolant, oil and fuel leaks in engine bay. SOA is purchasing back the vehicle.

22. Nick2012
Model/Year: 2015 Base WRX
Milage: 18000
EM: Cobb AP
Mods: Protuned, PW TMIC, TGV deletes, EGR delete, IAG AOS
Fuel: E85 Mix
Oil: Penzoil Platinum full synthetic 5w-30
Circumstances: high rpm pull snapped a connecting rod, no official diagnosis. Did tear down myself
Actual engine failure: Not confirmed.

23. psyclobe.... again! :-(
I have the dubious honor of posting twice in this thread!
Model/Year: 2015 WRX base
Milage: 21,447 (~3.5k on new IAG stage 3 block)
Mods: See: link on post #773
Fuel: 91
Oil: Driven DT-40 5w40
Circumstances: Ever since car was back together after the new build, I would always have random rough idles, and/or p0300. I had also had p000a which was solved by replacing the oil solenoids. Anyway I was e-tuning back and forth with my etuner after block break in, until one day doing a slightly hard drive in 3rd through 4th entering freeway onramp in 106F weather, significant engine power loss was felt (Accompanied by knock on the AP), black smoke out the rear, and engine died while I was coasting to the side of the freeway. Upon inspection of engine bay, oil dip stick shot out and oil sprayed out from there. Car now turns over but does not start (and turns over rather slowly).
Actual engine failure: Not confirmed.

24. 2015wrxwrb
Model/Year: 2015 WRX
Milage: 31k Miles
EM: Cobb AP + Brentuning E-tune
Mods:Turbo XS Catless J Pipe, EBCS, TBG Delete
Fuel:94
Oil: Mobil 1 Advanced Syn. 5w30
Circumstances: Bogging down and cloud of smoke after 1/4 mile run
Actual engine failure: Piston head melted, 0 pressure on cylinder 2.

And many more! This thread has become too large to get all the data out easily.
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:56 PM   #2
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don't want to clog your thread but you had ring land failure on your FA??? ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED.

also add if warrantied or not

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Old 09-23-2015, 09:37 PM   #3
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Saw this idea on Facebook, so I dusted off my username and thought V should post this...

A lot of FA20's are dying under mysterious circumstances on dynos across the country and a list would be very useful to try and determine what is at fault or at least find some pattern.

Post up Modifications, i.e. engine management, modifications, fuel, circumstances and what actually failed in the motor. Try to keep it short and concise as possible, this is meant to be a list not a novel.

If you got logs post'em too.

Post the tuners name?... Well that's your decision, but I don't think it's necessary to do so.

Here is the template:

Model/Year:

Milage:

EM:

Mods:

Fuel:

Circumstances:

Actual engine failure:


I'll go first and post about my stock 15 WRX

Model/Year: 2015 WRX

Milage: 10k miles

EM: Cobb AP stage 1 OTS

Mods: Stock

Fuel: 91 octane

Circumstances: On dyno about to get a stage 1 protune, tuner was getting a baseline did 3 pulls then said something didn't feel right, power dropped off on third pull, no knock events. At idle cylinder 3 was rough, at 2000 rpm cylinder 3 was very rough and the exhaust smelled like rotten eggs.

Actual engine failure: Cylinder 3 ring land failure, catalytic converter clogged or turned.
So you are telling me you blew a motor on a stage 1 tune? and had ringland failure on a FA... Welp... Guess trading the subi in for a evo. Sad to see engines go on stage 1 tunes LOL.
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Old 09-23-2015, 09:46 PM   #4
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Also could be helpful if you are on an OTS tune to mention which version (I.e. Cobb stage 1 HWH v2.00)
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:08 PM   #5
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Well damn...blown motor on a Cobb OTS stage 1? Now I'm even more nervous about the dyno tune I'm supposed to get Friday.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:18 PM   #6
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Is a Cobb OTS Stage 1 tune recommended to run on 91 octane or is it 93 only? I thought that if you could only run 91 octane you had to get a protune?
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:21 PM   #7
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Also could be helpful if you are on an OTS tune to mention which version (I.e. Cobb stage 1 HWH v2.00)
You, along with too many people, talk like a "stage 1 tune" means something. Maybe it does flashed to a stock car and then driven on the street. But on a dyno? Means nothing.

On a dyno there are multiple deviations from any tune level, stock or not. One is the dyne and its setup, but most importantly, the person running it behind the wheel. That "tune" becomes an outline that the tuner plays with on their laptop... for better and for worse. That tuning process, at the mercy of the individual tuner, involves silently exploreing the "worse" as well as the better, in order to present you with the dyno graph you paid for, want to see. Too often that playing, by the largely inexperienced (with the tuning on FA20DIT motors ) but learning (wink wink) tuning population, is at the owner's EXPENSE... pun intended.

Want to blow a motor? Start with modding a relatively unknown platform, then stick it on a dyno. Best odds.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:33 PM   #8
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Is a Cobb OTS Stage 1 tune recommended to run on 91 octane or is it 93 only? I thought that if you could only run 91 octane you had to get a protune?

Cobb has OTS maps for Stage 1 91 and 93. As far as the protune on 91 I can't answer that one for you, sorry.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:40 PM   #9
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I don't think people understand how hard a stage 1 tune can be on components. You have stock hardware and you're pushing them past the calibrated limits of the stock tune. Typically you only have about 50C margin on the cat and turbo on a stock tune before you exceed supplier's specified temp limit. I don't know if the FA20 ECU has a cat protection algorithm but if they do, Cobb probably disables it on stage 1 tunes.

FA engines also run much higher loads than EJ engines stock in terms of indicated and brake mean effective pressure.

Sounds like OP melted the cat. Well ****, stock tune is going to run right near thermal limit anyway. Then you turn up the boost on only 91 octane and you can't get much spark to keep exhaust temps down.
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15 WRX

47xx miles

ETS Intake, Invidia Tbe, grimmspeed 3port Ebcs, Clark Turner E85 E-Tune

Car blew up on dyno on 3rd pull. 1st pull it made 340/380 went on 3rd pull car was not being dyno by Clark it appears to of leaned out I'm assuming the fuel pump caused this issue rod went through the block and split in half when it split it caused minor damage to the heads.
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I think you guys are missing the point of all this. ::sigh::

NASIOC, this is why I haven't visited you in a decade.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:58 PM   #12
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15 WRX

47xx miles

ETS Intake, Invidia Tbe, grimmspeed 3port Ebcs, Clark Turner E85 E-Tune

Car blew up on dyno on 3rd pull. 1st pull it made 340/380 went on 3rd pull car was not being dyno by Clark it appears to of leaned out I'm assuming the fuel pump caused this issue rod went through the block and split in half when it split it caused minor damage to the heads.
Finally someone else, posted a failure. You get a gold star! Still no actual verified engine failure from data logs? Was it lean or did the rod just give up?
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Even if he melted a cat I don't see how that would blow a motor. It's not like there's cats in the charge pipe like in the older wrx uppipe. Also the new wrx's have elh which make egt more manageable. The direct injection also cools the combustion chamber more since it sprays fuel directly into it
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I think you guys are missing the point of all this. ::sigh::

NASIOC, this is why I haven't visited you in a decade.
If you really want this thread to work and be organized, quote the failure post in your top post to keep it all concise.

We all want to know about failures so allow discussion to trickle along in the posts below.
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Finally someone else, posted a failure. You get a gold star! Still no actual verified engine failure from data logs? Was it lean or did the rod just give up?
Honestly. Data has yet to of been pulled the dyno operator claimed it suddenly leaned out. He of course blamed it on the E85 E-Tune but I've heard of other people having great luck with clark. Clark was very good to work with excellent customer service and great response time. Really I think the combo of unknown E85 mixture the tune and lack of a HPFP upgrade may have all contributed. Let me see if I can find the logs.
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If you really want this thread to work and be organized, quote the failure post in your top post to keep it all concise.

We all want to know about failures so allow discussion to trickle along in the posts below.
Good idea! That's why you get paid the big bucks.
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It would be great if there was an ongoing table created in the OP with usernames of those with blown engines and then all the details listed in following columns.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:02 AM   #18
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It would be great if there was an ongoing table created in the OP with usernames of those with blown engines and then all the details listed in following columns.
Might be able to do something like that later for just the bare bones data.
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I don't think people understand how hard a stage 1 tune can be on components. You have stock hardware and you're pushing them past the calibrated limits of the stock tune. Typically you only have about 50C margin on the cat and turbo on a stock tune before you exceed supplier's specified temp limit. I don't know if the FA20 ECU has a cat protection algorithm but if they do, Cobb probably disables it on stage 1 tunes.

FA engines also run much higher loads than EJ engines stock in terms of indicated and brake mean effective pressure.

Sounds like OP melted the cat. Well ****, stock tune is going to run right near thermal limit anyway. Then you turn up the boost on only 91 octane and you can't get much spark to keep exhaust temps down.
Things should not be breaking under 80k miles when barley pushing 20% or less more power. That's just poor engineering. Again why can mitubishi get it right with the EVO, but subi can't? EVOs can hold 450+hp stock block for miles and miles but the Ej and now apparently the FA blow on stage 1 ots maps. Sad really, not meaning to troll or hate I just want a reason.

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You, along with too many people, talk like a "stage 1 tune" means something. Maybe it does flashed to a stock car and then driven on the street. But on a dyno? Means nothing.

On a dyno there are multiple deviations from any tune level, stock or not. One is the dyne and its setup, but most importantly, the person running it behind the wheel. That "tune" becomes an outline that the tuner plays with on their laptop... for better and for worse. That tuning process, at the mercy of the individual tuner, involves silently exploreing the "worse" as well as the better, in order to present you with the dyno graph you paid for, want to see. Too often that playing, by the largely inexperienced (with the tuning on FA20DIT motors ) but learning (wink wink) tuning population, is at the owner's EXPENSE... pun intended.

Want to blow a motor? Start with modding a relatively unknown platform, then stick it on a dyno. Best odds.
Thanks for your amazing wisdom... If you actually read Vader's post it says he was on Cobb Stage 1 OTS (keyword) and he was getting baseline pulls indicating that it was not running on a dyno tune yet. Cobb (and I'm sure other Vendors) release different versions of OTS tunes so if you are running OTS "Stage 1 Version X.XX" does actually mean something if there was a bad version.
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Things should not be breaking under 80k miles when barley pushing 20% or less more power. That's just pore engineering. Again why can mitubishi get it right with the EVO, but subi can't? EVOs can hold 450+hp stock block for miles and miles but the Ej and now apparently the FA blow on stage 1 ots maps. Sad really
Evos don't have to work very hard to make power because they have a large turbo (for stock) and don't make much low end torque. It's not as close a comparison as you would think.
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Evos don't have to work very hard to make power because they have a large turbo (for stock) and don't make much low end torque. It's not as close a comparison as you would think.
and they have a more robust block.
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Things should not be breaking under 80k miles when barley pushing 20% or less more power. That's just poor engineering. Again why can mitubishi get it right with the EVO, but subi can't? EVOs can hold 450+hp stock block for miles and miles but the Ej and now apparently the FA blow on stage 1 ots maps. Sad really, not meaning to troll or hate I just want a reason.
One 2015 lets go on stage 1 and you're convinced they're all destined for failure?
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One 2015 lets go on stage 1 and you're convinced they're all destined for failure?
Nope, just trying to get educated and I find the recent failures to be interesting. I expect more to come, as time passes now that the platform has been out for a bit. I also bought into the FA hype and bought one instead of an EVO. Was hoping the FA platform would be more robust and a real improvement over the EJ and also be on par or close to the 4B11T or 4g63. I love subies for their character but man this is sad. I'm probably over reacting but this does look bad.
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Evos are almost double the price over here, so I would expect them to be better. But yeah they really are miles better. Only reason I bought a Subaru was for the cargo space of a wagon shape and more ground clearance for rough offroad tracks. Flame suit on!
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