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Old 03-17-2017, 12:41 PM   #251
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I saw all the replies and I was like "**** yeah, looks like Scraps leased the Alpha!" Nope, just old men bitching about injuries. Lol, I keed, I keed.

Wishing you a speedy recovery Avanti!
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:43 PM   #252
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For fearful gringos, just stay at Meridian and never leave. Next on the list would be Infinity Bay - hotel next door has the one decent restaurant. Ye ole rape and pillage is not allowed there. But if you go anywhere you're not supposed to be, aka anywhere locals can reach by car or foot without gates and security, you will be defiled.
Gee, just hop a plane to Hawaii or if you want exotic go to Thailand. I never go anywhere I don't feel safe. Life is too short and precious.
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Took a Ti AWD for a test drive yesterday. Trying to arrange the mirror up a little bit to get it out of my way, I broke it. Oops.

But wow. What a great handling car. Steering is very direct, good feel. Quiet, has some punch out of that little 2.0L turbo. Couldn't tell where in the rev range in any gear it was without looking at the tach it was that smooth.

Handles really well too.

Cabin is 'cozy' for a taller person. Feels like it is smaller inside than my impreza, and I think it may be. But the seating position is great, plenty of room for left foot breaking and balancing the car.

No idea about radio. Didn't listen to it. But cruising on the highway it's easy to do 80 without even feeling it. It's a highway cruiser. Comfy. Eager. Asking for more.

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Old 03-19-2017, 02:44 PM   #254
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Took a Ti AWD for a test drive yesterday. Trying to arrange the mirror up a little bit to get it out of my way, I broke it. Oops.

But wow. What a great handling car. Steering is very direct, good feel. Quiet, has some punch out of that little 2.0L turbo. Couldn't tell where in the rev range in any gear it was without looking at the tach it was that smooth.

Handles really well too.

Cabin is 'cozy' for a taller person. Feels like it is smaller inside than my impreza, and I think it may be. But the seating position is great, plenty of room for left foot breaking and balancing the car.

No idea about radio. Didn't listen to it. But cruising on the highway it's easy to do 80 without even feeling it. It's a highway cruiser. Comfy. Eager. Asking for more.

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Can you compare to some other cars? Didn't you have an SS and/or an Alpha Camaro? Interested about steering and handling specifically - assume QF would be similar...
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I did have an SS. The Alfa is sharper and more surgical in feel compared to the SS. Steering is lighter, turn in is MUCH crisper, and requires just a little less effort. It makes sense because the whole car is lighter, and the 4cyl turbo vs 8cyl in the front and their weight difference is telling. It was only a test drive and I would need more time pushing things to really make a more thorough determination.

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Old 04-20-2017, 09:41 AM   #256
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DRAG RACE : Giulia Quadrifoglio VS M3 Pack Competition VS ATS-V

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nn7oF...ature=youtu.be


Watch a Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Drag Race an ATS-V and an M3

It's a battle between the six-cylinder turbocharged sports sedans.


The BMW M3 is truly facing stronger competition than ever. Its newest rivals, the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and the Cadillac ATS-V, are two of the quickest, sweetest-handling four-doors currently on the market. Sports sedans like this are more about corners than straight-line performance, but come on, you know you want to see who wins in a drag race.

France's Motorsport Magazine got an ATS-V, a Giulia Quadrifoglio, and an M3 Competition Package together for a standing-kilometer (0.62-mile) race. It's a fair fight too, because all three cars are equipped with automatic (or dual-clutch, in the M3's case) transmissions.

The 464-hp Cadillac ATS-V gets off the line better than the M3 and the Giulia, but quickly finds itself trailing. Despite having less horsepower, the M3 stays right on the Giulia's tail, but the Alfa manages to take victory. The Alfa does the 1000-meter run in 22 seconds, while the M3 and ATS-V cross the line in 22.2 and 22.8 seconds, respectively.

You're probably wondering where the Mercedes-AMG C63 S is. Well, Motorsport Magazine said that in a separate test, the AMG ran the standing kilometer in 22.1 seconds. So victory remains the Alfa's.

If nothing else, we can conclude that these sports sedans offer impressive straight-line performance. And they're just as excellent in corners.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:12 AM   #257
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Alfa is back in building real sport cars and sedans, but the 4C is not dropping in price, used, as I hoped it would.
However, the used Giulia will have to compete against the used M3 and C63, so maybe its value will be limited by the value loss of those.
But when it's really really used, it can be tricky to upkeep one, but again, the used 4C's are still in the 50's, with some of them already having some miles.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:10 AM   #258
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Totally surprising drag race! The car with the most power finished 1st. The car with the 2nd highest power finished 2nd. The lowest powered (and also heaviest) car finished 3rd.
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So for ****s & giggles I was running errands past a local Alfa dealership yesterday, I stopped in and took a test drive of a Giulia, inline 4 turbo model in Sport trim (has similar look, wheels, stance to the QF, passive sport suspension compared to the active mag ride of the QF).

Holy sh** this was a really nice driving sport sedan and when the drive mode was set to dynamic, it had a really impressive linear power band response that felt like a 280 hp engine, much better than Audi's 260 hp inline 4 in their base A4. Suspension was taut but not overly firm and well damped, I threw it around local street corners at 30 mph with little body roll. The only reason I'd consider aftermarket suspension would be cosmetic (to eliminate wheel gap).

Overall a really nice drivers package. If I didn't already replace my Audi with a new daily driver this would definitely be a 3 year lease contender (still do not trust the Alfa brand for long term ownership) and it comes with a std 4 year, 50k bumper to bumper. Not bad at all.

IMO, the Giulia is the driver oriented luxury sport sedan that Audi has always strived for but never quite achieved, that the 3 series USED to be but has lost its way a couple generations back, and that the C Class probably never will be.

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this would definitely be a 3 year lease contender (still do not trust the Alfa brand for long term ownership)
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Italian cars are known for two things: driving passion and a finicky nature. So when I finagled my way into a 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for a track day event, I was hoping that I would experience the former and avoid the latter.

Instead I got a healthy dose of both.

On Memorial Day, I was part of a private group that attended a track day in western Michigan on Gingerman Raceway's 11-turn, 2.14-mile road course. The Giulia Quadrifoglio in question came with a $72,000 starting price; Vesuvio Gray Metallic paint for an extra $600; an air quality system ($250); the Driver Assistance Launch package ($1,200) with forward collision warnings, lane departure warnings, automatic high beams, and an infrared windshield; a cargo net ($150), the Harman/Kardon premium audio system ($900), the killer 19-inch bright 5-hole wheels ($400), yellow calipers ($500), and a $1,595 destination charge for a total of $77,595.

Since none of our Motor Authority editors have driven the Giulia Quadrifoglio on a closed course, I approached Alfa Romeo about getting the car for this track day way back in February. Alfa agreed, but as the day neared, the reality hit me that I would be driving a possibly fussy Italian car on a 270-mile roundtrip from my home in Chicago to the track in South Haven, Michigan, and subjecting it to five or six 15-minute stints around the track.

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When I arrived at the track, I decided to keep my outings to 10 minutes—essentially five hard laps with some additional time for a cool-down lap. I decided to leave a good 20-30 minutes between sessions to give the car enough time to properly cool down before taking it out again.

It didn't take long on my first stint to learn that this car is special. The turn-in is astounding, aided by the lightning quick 11.8:1 steering ratio, which is the fastest that I know of for any car on the market. Perhaps some supercars are quicker, but it's certainly the quickest in any sport sedan. The Alfa simply carved through corners, but only when I got the speed under control. It's easy to over drive this car into a turn, and make the front end wash out, despite the sticky Pirelli P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2 tires. At 245 millimeters wide up front, I get the feeling that they could be wider, and the combination of speed and laser sharp turn-in makes them susceptible to understeer despite their glue-like 60 treadwear rating.

Get that speed under control, however, and the Quadrifoglio's handling turns very neutral, letting you play with the balance via the throttle pedal mid-turn. During my first couple of sessions, I was just learning to do this in the 5-6 "Deep Demon" double apex, the turn 8 carousel, and the turn 9 "Wiggly Field" right hander that lets you carry a lot of speed into turn 10B.

The way the car accelerates is also intoxicating. Yes, it makes its best power over 4,000 rpm, but in Dynamic mode the 8-speed automatic stays in as low a gear as possible, keeping the 2.9-liter V-6 in its power band. Squeeze the throttle exiting a turn and the car slingshots forward, building speed quickly. At the end of the longest straight, it hit 128 mph, 4 mph faster than the ATS-V I had here two years ago. The low-pitched sound is also like nothing else on the market.

I had no issue modulating the brakes despite the fact that this is a brake-by-wire system. On a track, you brake hard to get your speed under control for that next corner. I had a few minor issues on the street with pedal modulation, but this system isn't bad.

During my second stint, I started to play with Race mode, which shuts off the stability control and leaves the shifting up to the driver. Alfa fits what must be the largest shift paddles on the planet, so reaching them is no problem. I still wasn't entirely comfortable with the car's handling, and I didn't like the fact that the digital speed readout had given way to a gear indicator, so I soon switched back to Dynamic mode, thinking I'd try Race next time. By the way, that gear indicator also includes a shift light, but Alfa Romeo's graphic should make it more obvious when to shift. I don't want to have to concentrate on the shift light when driving on a track.

A check of the GoPro shows I was turning consistent 1:49-1:50 laps, perhaps dipping into the 1:48 range. That's a bit of a disappointment, as I got into the 1:46s with the ATS-V. However, steering feel isn't this car's best friend and I was still getting a feel for car's limits of grip. Had I more time in the car, I'm sure I would have been able to take advantage of those sticky tires, carry more speed into those aforementioned corners, and taken the lap time down to the 1:46 or even 1:45 range.

Alas, that was not to be.

Disappointment

The disappointment came on the first lap of only my third stint. After just two turns, it flashed a message that the brake fluid was low. Within a couple more turns, the car started spitting out maintenance message after maintenance message, and by turn 9 it went into limp mode. I shut it down and headed into the pits, hoping 30 minutes of cool down would correct any issues.

After about 20 minutes I was down two just two codes. That's when I decided to disconnect the battery to try to reset the computer. I did that, waited 10 minutes or so, and reconnected the cables. The result? All the codes came back.

Well, that was it. My day was done. My worst fears were realized. This brilliant, finicky, exotic, Italian car did just what I feared it might. It thrilled me for two track sessions, then decided I wasn't worthy and that it didn't want any more track time.

At least none of the issues was mechanical, and I was able to drive it home.

I called Alfa Romeo communications department to inform them of the issue. A PR representative said that tis particular car was a very early build and it might still need some of the kinks ironed out.

I just hope that some day I get a chance to really drive this car hard and see what it can do for longer than 20 minutes.
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As soon as I read the title I knew that the story would end in with the car in limp mode. You would think with their reputation that Alfa may have done a better job testing the cars before production or keep a closer eye on QA in assembly. Seems like they are simply incapable of building anything of quality or reliability. Such a shame because it sounds like when it's running it's a great car.
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As soon as I read the title I knew that the story would end in with the car in limp mode. You would think with their reputation that Alfa may have done a better job testing the cars before production or keep a closer eye on QA in assembly. Seems like they are simply incapable of building anything of quality or reliability. Such a shame because it sounds like when it's running it's a great car.
I don't know whether or not the article is a complete depiction of what happened with the car out on the track, but I would have at least checked brake fluid level.
Shutting the car down and hoping for the best is kind of a weird attitude given the first message he got from the car.
Even a well built machine can lose brake fluid on track if the cap on the reservoir is loose...
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Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs BMW M3 Comp Pack vs Mercedes-AMG C63 S | PH Battle

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One Week in Italy with a 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce Q4

Roma, Firenze, and the Futa Pass in Alfa’s sexy new four-door


By: Eric Weiner | Photography by: Eric Weiner August 27, 2017




BOLOGNA, Italy — The fantasy of driving a new Alfa Romeo sport sedan in Italy was simply too alluring. With trendy pedestrians, speeding scooters, and tiny three-wheeled delivery trucks coming at me from all sides, I recalled brushing off warnings from friends and colleagues who had fallen prey to similar flights of fancy. So it was on an impossibly narrow street in downtown Florence, lost and desperate in the snug red leather seat of a sharply dressed Giulia Veloce, that I faced the consequences of making a purely emotional decision.

I’d already driven the raucous 505-hp Giulia Quadrifoglio in Michigan, so for my long-awaited Italian vacation, the 280-hp Giulia was at the top of the list. In the U.S. this variant is known as the Ti, but better to get to know an Alfa than to drive it on its home turf? Visions of devouring apexes on a mountain road filled my head, a stomachful of imaginary rigatoni Bolognese and a bottomless bottle of Chianti waiting for me at my destination. Although my girlfriend, Michelle, had planned out nearly every detail of trip based on extensive research and sound reasoning, I, naturally, ignored her suggestion to just take the train.



The trip kicked off without a hitch, after spending three days enjoying Rome and its mind-blowing history (read: pizza). Michelle and I picked up the Giulia outside of the city (at least I was wise enough to avoid the deathtrap of driving downtown), and had no trouble loading up the trunk with both of our suitcases and backpacks. For a car that looks this stunning, especially with the red leather sport interior and optional 19-inch black Quadrifoglio wheels, being able to also pack it full of cargo is a nice win. Compared to the Germans, or even Jaguar XE and Cadillac ATS, the Alfa is the clear aesthetic champion.

From Rome, we quickly made our way onto the autostrade toward Florence, where the Giulia settled into a nice, calm cruise. The 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder hums along comfortably at highway speed, while the eight-speed automatic transmission never misses a beat as it works its way up to top gear. I was impressed how well the Giulia tracks on the less-than-pristine autostrade, but I was especially pleased that the steering feel and precision I loved on the full-fledged Quadrifoglio is somewhat preserved, although scaled back for more casual drivers. There’s a pleasant heft and quickness to every steering input, even during mild lane changes, that gives you confidence and control going down the road. At low speed the steering is light and easy, which was helpful while parking in a narrow underground garage during a pit stop in Siena.



We finally arrived in Florence, exiting the highway and onto a main street flanking the Arno river that cuts through the city center. The moment we exited the main road and away from the riverfront, our planned route to the local garage went to hell. Construction blocked one of the larger streets, forcing us deeper into the city’s narrow blocks, where reception for both Google Maps and the Giulia’s on-board navigation suddenly went to zero. Before I knew it, we were dodging hundreds of people and assorted vehicles in a public square, trying to make sense of maddening traffic patterns and potentially one-way streets. Rightfully, Michelle was wearing a resigned I-told-you-so face. For my part, I tried to manage the frustration of being so very wrong while ending this nightmare with haste.

In the end, all it took was going the wrong way down a one-way street toward the garage – enough to get the attendant’s immediate attention — at which point I leapt out of the car and thankfully handed him the keys. “Nice car,” he said, not without a hint of judgment that such a lovely machine was wasted on a complete idiot.



After a few days in Florence and day trip by train to go hiking at Cinque Terre, it was time to hop back in the Giulia and make for Bologna. This was the part of the drive I’d been dreaming about. We’d be taking the famed Futa Pass from Tuscany to Emilia-Romagna through the Appennine mountains. It’s one of the few routes you can drive that’s essentially the same as it was during Stirling Moss’s famed victory in the 1955 Mille Miglia. I was jonesing to check it off my bucket list.



The countryside at the foot of the Futa Pass was simply stunning. Miles of lush green hills and beautiful lakes were visible in the distance, but I was keen to stay focused on keeping the Giulia in my lane. Although the four-door Alfa isn’t at all large by American standards, on the snaking, narrow local roads and through the quaint little villages dotting the route, it occupied the entire lane and then some. It required a ton of focus to always look as far as possible ahead, and be prepared for anything from a cyclist or a delivery truck to be around any blind turn.

Once on the Pass, I could finally let the Giulia Veloce loose. I switched into Dynamic mode on the rotary drive selector, firming up the adaptive dampers in preparation for a wild ride. The route began with a big climb, full of undulations in the road between a cadence of flowing corners in quick succession. Alfa tuned the Giulia’s ride-handling balance perfectly for a road like this, as the car remained planted with beautiful body control. There’s abundant mid-corner grip, and the athletic corner entry and graceful corner exit (aided by the mechanical limited-slip differential) made it feel like a true sport sedan that can really put its power down. (In the U.S. market, both the adaptive dampers and the LSD come with the $1,200 Ti Performance package.)

The brakes got a healthy workout on the way down the Pass, and although there’s plenty of stopping power, it could use more initial bite at the top of the pedal travel. Knifing through the ribbons of Italian pavement, too, gave me great respect for the small, well-proportioned steering wheel and perfectly bolstered sport seats.



If the Giulia could be better dynamically in some way, I’d point to the engine as something in need of more refinement. Both BMW and Audi make much smoother 2.0-liters with more linear power delivery. Enjoyable as it was to work the huge aluminum shift paddles, I found myself needing to really pay attention to making sure I was keeping the engine in the meat of its mid-range power band.

When I finally handed over the Giulia at a dealership outside of Bologna, the horror of driving in downtown Florence was the last thing on my mind. I was still riding that emotional state of high from the Futa Pass. Although the Giulia isn’t perfect – especially if you’re a stickler for quality interiors or advanced tech – the fun it afforded me made it a lot easier to forget the consequences of sometimes thinking with your heart instead of your brain. Tearing through a sensational mountain road in a fantastically balanced sport sedan makes the world a bit brighter, after all.

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti AWD Specifications (U.S.)

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PRICE $42,990/$47,690 (base/as tested, est.)
ENGINE 2.0L turbocharged SOHC 16-valve I-4/280 hp @ 5,200 rpm, 306 lb-ft @ 2,000-4,800 rpm
TRANSMISSION 8-speed automatic
LAYOUT 4-door, 5-passenger, front-engine, AWD sedan
EPA MILEAGE 23/31 mpg (city/hwy)
L x W x H 182.6 x 73.7 x 57.1 in
WHEELBASE 111.0 in
WEIGHT 3,600 lb (est)
0-60 MPH 5.1 sec
TOP SPEED 149 mph





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I regularly see a couple of these now on my daily commute and love the way they look. Very refreshing since I see so many Audi's and BMW's.
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What kind of person leases these at $5000 down and $1700/mo? These Quadrifoglios are going to depreciate faster than Maserati sedans. These cars aren't nice enough to be real exotics yet you have to really like to set money on fire to get one of these new.
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What kind of person leases these at $5000 down and $1700/mo? These Quadrifoglios are going to depreciate faster than Maserati sedans. These cars aren't nice enough to be real exotics yet you have to really like to set money on fire to get one of these new.
You do know they have 3 trims, right?

Quardofoglio ($$$$), Ti ($$) and Base ($.5)?

Then you have AWD and RWD options in the Ti and Base.

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I am one of the people that are waiting for the 4C to depreciate into affordability. And they are not for some reason.
The Rule is that Alfa HAVE TO depreciate. But they're not this time
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I am one of the people that are waiting for the 4C to depreciate into affordability. And they are not for some reason.
The Rule is that Alfa HAVE TO depreciate. But they're not this time
Give it another year or two, when the leases are up.

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If the Giulia could be better dynamically in some way, I’d point to the engine as something in need of more refinement. Both BMW and Audi make much smoother 2.0-liters with more linear power delivery. Enjoyable as it was to work the huge aluminum shift paddles, I found myself needing to really pay attention to making sure I was keeping the engine in the meat of its mid-range power band.
This engine makes more power and torque than the Audi or the BMW 2 liters, so what do you expect?
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You do know they have 3 trims, right?

Quardofoglio ($$$$), Ti ($$) and Base ($.5)?

Then you have AWD and RWD options in the Ti and Base.

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Yeah I know they have them but they just don't register on my radar. I don't really have much tolerance for even German car maintenance, nevermind Italian car maintenace. If it's not a significant stand out car, why bother with that crap? Either way, the lease deals for the quad are comically terrible. I mean, you can lease a full blown 640HP CTS-V for 5k down and 819/mo. That's half the price...

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Old 08-29-2017, 12:16 PM   #273
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You do know they have 3 trims, right?

Quardofoglio ($$$$), Ti ($$) and Base ($.5)?

Then you have AWD and RWD options in the Ti and Base.

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Yeah but on a 3 year lease you are talking a minimum of $66K cash to rent the car (assuming that $1700 a month $5K down number is right). The Giulia Quadrifoglio starts in like the low $70K's.

That lease number seems really off to me..
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Yeah but on a 3 year lease you are talking a minimum of $66K cash to rent the car (assuming that $1700 a month $5K down number is right). The Giulia Quadrifoglio starts in like the low $70K's.

That lease number seems really off to me..
It's a 24 month lease and a $85,000 car. Assuming no internal incentives, the bank is calculating that the car will lose about $40,000 of value in 24 months/20,000 miles. That's amazing.

http://jalopnik.com/suprise-the-alfa...ter-1797962629
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