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Old 05-28-2017, 05:43 PM   #11326
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:43 PM   #11327
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:44 PM   #11328
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:08 PM   #11329
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Why would you overnight parts from Japan for a timing belt job ? Isn't that the typo of job one would plan ahead for and order the parts with anticipation.
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Old 05-29-2017, 12:04 AM   #11330
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Why would you overnight parts from Japan for a timing belt job ? Isn't that the typo of job one would plan ahead for and order the parts with anticipation.
Because when you order parts from the other side of the ocean, you can choose between freight or express air. The cost would be the same regardless for light items, so express is usually the way to go.

What I was wondering was why there was no water pump in that rebuild parts image.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:52 AM   #11331
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:05 PM   #11332
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Because when you order parts from the other side of the ocean, you can choose between freight or express air. The cost would be the same regardless for light items, so express is usually the way to go.

What I was wondering was why there was no water pump in that rebuild parts image.
Inspected it and it looked brand new. Engine only has approx 14,000 miles on it.
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:44 AM   #11333
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What stampings are on the heads of a spec C please?
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:57 AM   #11334
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What stampings are on the heads of a spec C please?
T20 just like all the other twinscroll cars
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:12 PM   #11335
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Anyone know what this sensor is? The vaccum line nipple is broken off. It's on the intake manifold near the alternator. It's a version 9 motor. Thanks.
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:16 PM   #11336
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Anyone know what this sensor is? The vaccum line nipple is broken off. It's on the intake manifold near the alternator. It's a version 9 motor. Thanks.
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:50 PM   #11337
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It's a purge vavle solenoid. Cost between 20-70 bux used
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Old 06-06-2017, 11:38 AM   #11338
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Anyone know if it's accurate that the EJ207 V9 Spec-C ECU is looking for a fast rack and in turn disabling the ABS in it's absence? Can anyone also confirm the Spec C V9's are in fact immobilized?

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Old 06-06-2017, 12:50 PM   #11339
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Have they changed the steering rack to have a sensor on it now? What makes you think ABS isn't working? Did you pull the ABS codes yet if the ABS light is on? Could just be a sensor (not related to your rack).
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Old 06-06-2017, 06:25 PM   #11340
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Anyone know if it's accurate that the EJ207 V9 Spec-C ECU is looking for a fast rack and in turn disabling the ABS in it's absence? Can anyone also confirm the Spec C V9's are in fact immobilized?
The Spec C ECU isn't looking for a steering rack at all - the DCCD ECU receives a steering angle input from the steering wheel. The rack is irrelevant.

There are two 2006-2007 Spec C ECUs - the common one for the standard model with ABS, and the incredibly rare one for the stripped down 16 in. wheel model (w/o ABS).

The former is immobilized. The latter is (probably) not. Even the factory service manual neglects to mention much about the 16 in. wheel model.
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Old 06-06-2017, 07:58 PM   #11341
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well when i bought my V9 spec-c the ecu i was given was immobilized. its a rev E motor made in June 2004 from an MY05

but in reality, i have no way of confirming that the immobilized ecu was 100% original to the motor i was receiving. thats just how it goes when importing motors. things are easily mixed and matched.

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Old 06-06-2017, 09:59 PM   #11342
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No,
The information about looking for steering racks is relevant to the V10+.

I put 2 and 2 together, when an owner of a 2010 USDM swapped in a fast q rack and got an error about steering angle sensor, than an European owner of 2010 sti that did a complete swap to a JDM spec C including ECU, cluster keys immobilizer, still got An error about the steering angle. He did not swap in the fast spec C steering rack.
I thought that the first case was a code caused by a rack too fast for the ECU, while the second was a rack too slow for the ECU.
However the code situation was similar.

As for the rest, I own a non immobilized spec C V9 ECU that came with my spec C engine.
The early V9 did come not immobilized.

As far as the connection between the cars for racing and the ECU being not immobilized, I think that there were options which show in the table of ECU.

The option codes were never made clear.
My car has two options displayed in the engine number.
My engine was not the one without AC.

Although I've read t one time that the spec C was the one without AC and the spec C type RA had the AC added.

Mine shows as spec C type ra.

I am not the only one on the thread that had this, there was another guy that had the same year Spec C with the same engine number as me and his ECU was also not immobilized.

I think that this was chronological. The cars except for the S cars were not immobilized in Japan. Once the wave of immobilizing came, all got immobilized.

As far as abs and DCCD, this is not so.

The technology was not there to have both operational at the same time until 2004.
So this is why you had to choose between having a car with ABS and the race oriented no ABS but with DCCD cars.

This changed exactly with the introduction of the USDM Sti in 2004.

From that moment on, neither in USDM neither in JDM did you have to choose anymore between the two.

I speculate that the item, the technology that made possible the coexistence of these was EBD, something also starting in 2004.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:19 AM   #11343
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As for the rest, I own a non immobilized spec C V9 ECU that came with my spec C engine.
The early V9 did come not immobilized.
What is the p/n on the ECU case? That's all I need to sort this out.

Anytime someone starts talking about early and late changes made within a specific model year, my BS alarms start blaring. While V9 refers to 06-07 MY, I can tell you that 2006 models (STI, RASC, RASC-16in) all came with an immobilizer. I was incorrect in my previous post about the RASC-16in; it DID have an immobilizer but did not have ABS. The 2006 WRX models did NOT have an immobilizer.

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As far as the connection between the cars for racing and the ECU being not immobilized, I think that there were options which show in the table of ECU.

The option codes were never made clear.
My car has two options displayed in the engine number.
My engine was not the one without AC.
The RASC and RASC-16in both had an immobilizer - just checked the wiring diagrams. This was not an ECU option - you cannot disable the immobilizer via software alone.

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Although I've read t one time that the spec C was the one without AC and the spec C type RA had the AC added.
The trim level is 'RASC' = RA Spec C. There is no Type RA in the model years we are talking about; there are two RASC models in 2006 - RASC (17 inch) and RASC (16 inch).

The 16 in. model had no A/C while the 17 in. model did. The only dealer option was to ADD the A/C to the 16 in. model; you could NOT elect to have no A/C on the 17 in. model.

The 16 in. model was not offered every model year. 2006 it was available, 2007 it was not. I have little data about the existence of 2004-2005 '16 inch' cars.

The GDB-B to GDB-G all use the RASC trim level. The GDB-A is the only one that used the RASTI trim. The GDB-B was the first Spec C and was significantly improved over the GDB-A (the GDB-B RASC was the ONLY model to not have a front U-frame among other major changes). The RASC trim was kept for all GD model years following the GDB-B.

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Mine shows as spec C type ra.

I am not the only one on the thread that had this, there was another guy that had the same year Spec C with the same engine number as me and his ECU was also not immobilized.
What is the part number on the case? That's all that matters.

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I think that this was chronological. The cars except for the S cars were not immobilized in Japan. Once the wave of immobilizing came, all got immobilized.
This is also incorrect. The 2006 MY had the STI models immobilized while the WRX models were not. The sales pamphlet and FSM wiring diagrams make this very clear.
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:05 AM   #11344
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oh ya, forgot to mention the immobilized i recieved was 22611AL360
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:36 AM   #11345
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The V9 does include the 2005 models, look at the info thread. Mine is a 2005.
Yes, the 2006 and 7 are immobilized and the earlier S203 and on.

This conversation is within the context of the Sti 207, I am not making any statement about the WRX 205.

I can't post the diagram cause I have to run now, but other than the Japanese writing it shows the wiring difference for with or without immobilizer for the '05-'06 Factory Service Manual.

I know of the RASC and I know that this is how they disambiguate it in factory literature (RA spec C), but I feel its correct for the public to call it Spec C Type Ra, as this is what the badge read.

I never said there's a type RA level in V9, there was none since before the introduction of spec C, I did say that there was a Spec C level, but now that I think back, I don't think the FAST2 for JDM had any other designation for Spec C than RASC.

Ok, I'll post the info, refer to the list in the info thread.

My engine is a EJ207DW7ER, it's a Spec C with the OPC 91/94 options.
the ECU is a 22611AJ820.

BTW, which EJ207 do you have?
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The V9 does include the 2005 models, look at the info thread. Mine is a 2005.
This is the problem with both the 'version' nomenclature and your info thread. 'V9' is nebulous - most eBay sellers assign this to GDB-F and GDB-G parts but you've chosen to include the 2005 (GDB-E) in this category, as well. The GDB-E is an entirely different body style than the GDB-F/G.

GDB-A/B - first body style (eBay sellers call this V7)
GDB-C/D/E - second body style (eBay sellers call this V8)
GDB-F/G - third body style (eBay sellers call this V9)

GDB-A to D = narrow track
GDB-E to G = wide track

Your info page lumps the second body style, wide-track model (GDB-E) in with the third body style. See where I'm going here? No one is on the same page with this, but the MAJORITY of people equate the 'version' nomenclature with the following:

V7 = Bugeye
V8 = Blobeye
V9 = Hawkeye

Just because your info thread decides to call the GDB-E a 'V9' model doesn't mean the majority of people will call it this. I try to avoid the 'version' nomenclature whenever possible, but if I'm going to use it at all, I'm gonna be following the pattern that the majority of people are using.

If you don't want to cause confusion, the best nomenclature to use is the GDB-A through G coding... Subaru already gave us a perfectly usable system; why anyone tries to lump significantly different models into 'eyes' or 'versions' is beyond me.

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the ECU is a 22611AJ820.
As you mentioned, this is the 2005 Spec C ECU which is not immobilized. This corresponds to a GDB-E, which most would call a 'V8', but you call a 'V9.

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BTW, which EJ207 do you have?
Two new/crated single AVCS EJ20 blocks out of Australia w/forged internals, a variety of used single AVCS EJ207 heads, and a '10 Spec C Dual AVCS EJ207 needing a rebuild; why do you ask? The motor installed in my car is still the USDM EJ257 and it will likely stay that way until the shell is caged.

Right now I'm rebuilding the tranny so swapping the motor isn't a huge priority. I am, however, having a 'rev.B' patch loom made (as in, I just completed payment to Boomslang two days ago) to add dual AVCS wiring to my motor loom so I can control the dual AVCS motor with my factory wiring. Not really related to the topic, but I found that adding dual AVCS control is pretty easy if you just re-use the TGV wiring You only need to run a total of 4 wires for the cam position sensors.
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most ppl outside north america consider the wide-track rev-E a V9. i had a long discussion about it with a british chap who knows a few things.

its us over here in north america that classify them by body style (v7 bug, v8 blob, v9 hawk). elsewhere they are classified by motor (v7 gdb a/b, v8 gdb c/d, v9 gdb e+).

this being a north american page, its why you see the former more often.

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GDB-A/B - first body style (eBay sellers call this V7)
GDB-C/D/E - second body style (eBay sellers call this V8)
GDB-F/G - third body style (eBay sellers call this V9)

GDB-A to D = narrow track
GDB-E to G = wide track

Your info page lumps the second body style, wide-track model (GDB-E) in with the third body style. See where I'm going here? No one is on the same page with this, but the MAJORITY of people equate the 'version' nomenclature with the following:

V7 = Bugeye
V8 = Blobeye
V9 = Hawkeye

Just because your info thread decides to call the GDB-E a 'V9' model doesn't mean the majority of people will call it this. I try to avoid the 'version' nomenclature whenever possible, but if I'm going to use it at all, I'm gonna be following the pattern that the majority of people are using.

If you don't want to cause confusion, the best nomenclature to use is the GDB-A through G coding... Subaru already gave us a perfectly usable system; why anyone tries to lump significantly different models into 'eyes' or 'versions' is beyond me.



As you mentioned, this is the 2005 Spec C ECU which is not immobilized. This corresponds to a GDB-E, which most would call a 'V8', but you call a 'V9.

Who is "most"?

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I disagree.
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...to add dual AVCS wiring to my motor loom so I can control the dual AVCS motor with my factory wiring. Not really related to the topic, but I found that adding dual AVCS control is pretty easy if you just re-use the TGV wiring You only need to run a total of 4 wires for the cam position sensors.
You mean going from single to dual AVCS and not from non-AVCS to dual AVCS?
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I disagree.
Who is 'most' would be the hundreds of people selling parts that really define the parts you're getting when you purchase things using 'version' nomenclature. Go ahead and run a Google image search for 'v9 headlights sti' and see what you find. How about 'v9 nose cut'? Same story. You'll see a few A-E chassis images pop up, but if you actually click on them, they'll all be listed as 'v7' or 'v8' - the 'v9' links are all F/G chassis cars.

You can disagree all you want... but I stand by my statement about just saying GDB-A through G being the best route to go. I don't know why anyone would push for a system that adds ambiguity into the mix.

The comments below my last one clearly show a huge issue - US and Euro terminology is completely screwy.

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You mean going from single to dual AVCS and not from non-AVCS to dual AVCS?
Yes, this is correct. My base chassis is a 2006 USDM STi with single AVCS. Going to dual AVCS with a standalone was as easy as running 4 wires (+12V, GND, LH Ex. Cam Pos., RH Ex. Cam Pos.) and re-pinning the TGV motor +12V and GND wires to the exhaust AVCS +12V and GND outputs.

I had more trouble sourcing a mating connector for the TGV plugs than I did figuring out the wiring. If anyone wants to do this without butchering the harness - Sumitomo 6188-0624 is the one you want.

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