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Old 01-12-2018, 06:18 PM   #101
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Where are these 4 door performance compact sedans the WRX and STI supposedly compete with? Is Audi and Mercedes their new segment? Why not make the M235xi and M2 their new segment? With the demise of the Impreza name, nothing is holding them to this formula. The Evo died. Why continue to carry that flame especially when sedans are on the way down and the BRZ is seemingly going to continue on forever regardless of sales?
Nah, I can't agree with this. The 4 door performance segment is small. Its hard finding an enjoyable sedan, esp under ~$35k. Plenty of coupes out there to choose from. BUT they should add some more performance to the BRZ. Subaru is a small company. I think they just focus on what sells, and while I'm sure their "performance" variants do decent numbers, they're probably the least of their worries.
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I don't get it, hasn't that always been the recipe? Where's the funny?
No funny here just agreeing thatíll happen and thatís not really a bad thing, imo.

Iíve never seen the last-gen Impreza on the road and mistaken it for the current WRX/STI and I doubt the SGP STI will look anything like the SGP Impreza. Family resemblance? Sure... itís a Subaru.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:25 PM   #103
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what in the world is that thing?
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:14 PM   #104
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Rear is sooo ugly IMO, looks like a cheap toy
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:25 PM   #105
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Here's the first peek at the STI concept at the 2018 Tokyo Auto Salon that just opened Today. It's in Japanese but 2:35 in you can see briefly in the background. I'm sure full videos will follow soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAWzctWLv8
Go on that video and look at the videos listed below. They have a LIVE video right NOW!!!
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:59 PM   #106
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Really liking the rear tail lights. Reminds me of the new Acura NSX which I really like as well. The styling reminds me of the New Type R but I'm confident that Subaru won't hold on to any of that. (hopefully)
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:01 PM   #107
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Why's that? Impreza hasn't been a 2 door far longer than was a 2 door. It was a 2 door for a single ONE generation. They have a 2 door sports car filling ZERO need in their lineup. It fills Toyoda's need in his lineup, but the BRZ should be more SUBARU than a lightweight nimble low power RWD car Toyota wanted. It's there. Use it. Throwing more and more ugly at a bloated compact sedan body they are trying to tell everyone isn't what the WRX or STI is seems more work than just going ape**** on a low slung BRZ.

Is performance more defined in the oversized bloated compact sedan segment or the 2 door sports car segment? I see no Evo. I only see bloated compact hatchbacks. Where's your at Subaru going along with selling a 2WD sports car on your lot? You seem confused with your own brand and shrug at Toyota's meddling because it's convenient and easier that way.

22B all the BRZs.
My was for the "They need to go one further and drop the Impreza body altogether " ......only to say bring back an Impreza.

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Where are these 4 door performance compact sedans the WRX and STI supposedly compete with? Is Audi and Mercedes their new segment? Why not make the M235xi and M2 their new segment? With the demise of the Impreza name, nothing is holding them to this formula. The Evo died. Why continue to carry that flame especially when sedans are on the way down and the BRZ is seemingly going to continue on forever regardless of sales?
What people seem to CONTINUE to fail to realize, is it's selling right where Subaru intended. How are Toyota sales of it? That I don't know. Just because it sold bangers at the beginning doesn't mean it's numbers now is a failure.


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I feel I'm the only one ever upset about anything Subaru does. Which is always. Always and ever.
I thought that was Pre.

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:03 PM   #108
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:05 AM   #109
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Yes! We needed more hype for a performance sedan!
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:32 AM   #110
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Where are these 4 door performance compact sedans the WRX and STI supposedly compete with? Is Audi and Mercedes their new segment? Why not make the M235xi and M2 their new segment? With the demise of the Impreza name, nothing is holding them to this formula. The Evo died. Why continue to carry that flame especially when sedans are on the way down and the BRZ is seemingly going to continue on forever regardless of sales?
When I speak of 4 doors, I mean 4 passenger doors, and am not excluding 5 door hatchbacks from that category. 2 door cars exclude a lot of buyers because of the lack of, or impractical rear seats. Reasonably priced 2 door performance cars are a dying breed, imo, and that's the category you need to switch to Audi and BMW to find 2 doors that sell. The twins sell in low numbers. The z is dying. What else is left? The CTR is now 4 door, but I guess maybe there's still a 2 door si? Golf is 4 door only now.

A 2 door sti is more dead to me than a sedan is, and that's pretty dead.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:38 PM   #112
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I love this resdisign if it ends up looking like this. Best looking car since the hawkeye imho. Now, they need to get the engine redesigned as 300hp just isnt competitive in the current market. Those two together with significantly improve interest in this car.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:06 PM   #113
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I love this resdisign if it ends up looking like this. Best looking car since the hawkeye imho. Now, they need to get the engine redesigned as 300hp just isnt competitive in the current market. Those two together with significantly improve interest in this car.
Not sure what you're on about. 305hp is actually quite competitive still when comparing the cars in the STI's price bracket (35-41k).

Golf R: 292hp
Civic Type R: 306hp
Focus RS (production ended): 350hp
Audi S3: 292hp
Mercedes C300: 241hp
BMW 330i: 248hp
Lexus IS 350: 311hp
Alfa Romeo Giulia: 280hp
Acura TLX: 290hp
Jaguar XE: 296hp

I may have forgotten a couple cars but... Aside from the Focus RS, which isn't even being made anymore, there are only two cars in the list that have higher hp ratings and they're only marginally higher (1hp and 6hp respectively).
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:38 PM   #114
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Not sure what you're on about. 305hp is actually quite competitive still when comparing the cars in the STI's price bracket (35-41k).

Golf R: 292hp
Civic Type R: 306hp
Focus RS (production ended): 350hp
Audi S3: 292hp
Mercedes C300: 241hp
BMW 330i: 248hp
Lexus IS 350: 311hp
Alfa Romeo Giulia: 280hp
Acura TLX: 290hp
Jaguar XE: 296hp

I may have forgotten a couple cars but... Aside from the Focus RS, which isn't even being made anymore, there are only two cars in the list that have higher hp ratings and they're only marginally higher (1hp and 6hp respectively).

Forgot to mention that those other car's performance numbers......the ones that beat the STI.......are only doing so by a second or so by super awesome, greatest ever, professional magazine drivers that beat the living crap out of them to get those minuscule numbers.

Same argument against the STI when considering some of those lesser HP cars. Not competitive? Seriously?
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:45 PM   #115
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:03 PM   #116
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Forgot to mention that those other car's performance numbers......the ones that beat the STI.......are only doing so by a second or so by super awesome, greatest ever, professional magazine drivers that beat the living crap out of them to get those minuscule numbers.

Same argument against the STI when considering some of those lesser HP cars. Not competitive? Seriously?
It's funny how there are so many different 0-60 times for the current-gen WRX (almost a whole second difference in some cases), due to factors that you mentioned and more. I always found 0-60 times to be nothing more than a brochure statistic to stroke your ego with. When I think of people bragging about 0-60 times, I think of rich douchbags in luxury/supercars who have more money than brains.

If you're talking about lap times then that's even more irrelevant to 95% of the people who buy these cars who probably only use them as DDs.

Numbers are overrated
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:13 PM   #117
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Forgot to mention that those other car's performance numbers......the ones that beat the STI.......are only doing so by a second or so by super awesome, greatest ever, professional magazine drivers that beat the living crap out of them to get those minuscule numbers.

Same argument against the STI when considering some of those lesser HP cars. Not competitive? Seriously?
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Tires, man. They make all the difference.
How do I keep my sponsors and gain championship points for my daily commute and grocery getting if I’m down by a second or two?

Tires? No way, that’s crazy talk... all tires are created equal and don’t contribute to lap times at all it’s all in the spec sheets people!

... (/sarcasm)

My biggest worry is isn’t power. It’s a possible change in drivetrain that has me wondering how this new STI will handle or last in the long run. The biggest love I have for this car is its AWD and bulletproof transmission. Oh and it’s old-school, heavy, direct-feeling, communicative, hydraulic steering.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:05 PM   #118
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:30 PM   #119
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They won't go hybrid, it would increase the price which would kill off the STI. If they ever went that way then the whole formula which us enthusiasts love will be changed and they might as well start a new model line where they make it more premium and expensive.

We must be miles away from the new model though because we haven't even seen camo'ed pre production cars. We haven't even seen impreza test mules with crude man made hood scoops like we did last time...
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Hybrid will be a stop/start technology to eek out the last few mpg's of the old EJ they'll put in the new gen wrx sti.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:09 PM   #121
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If you're talking about lap times then that's even more irrelevant to 95% of the people who buy these cars who probably only use them as DDs.
Pretty much every magazine statistic is irrelevant. They all vary based on altitute, weather conditions, driver etc.

Furthermore, a majority of the owners of these cars don't do **** except drive from A to B, hardpark in parking lots, or roll race against their buddys in modded Focus STs and **** on the freewa.....oh sorry... on roads in Mexico.

Listening to these people argue over tenths of a second around the nurburgring or on a drag strip makes me lol.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:35 PM   #122
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The good news is that if you like that concept you can count on the fact that the real car will look nothing like it. That is not even a car. That is a rendering



This should smack us back to reality.
That concept has a Mustang GT-fastback vibe in a big way. When did that appear first?
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:52 PM   #123
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Pretty much every magazine statistic is irrelevant. They all vary based on altitute, weather conditions, driver etc.

Furthermore, a majority of the owners of these cars don't do **** except drive from A to B, hardpark in parking lots, or roll race against their buddys in modded Focus STs and **** on the freewa.....oh sorry... on roads in Mexico.

Listening to these people argue over tenths of a second around the nurburgring or on a drag strip makes me lol.
I (and a few others) completely destroyed some guy on the 2015+ WRX Facebook group a few days ago - which, by the way, is filled with idiots.

Someone posted asking what mods are needed to get to 300whp. Some guy replied saying he has XYZ mods and it dyno'd at 270whp. Idiot comes in and says "how is that possible if stock is 268hp". I chimed in saying that advertised HP figures are always to the crank and that due to drivetrain loss and other factors, whp will always be lower. Dude replies with "I doubt it, that's false advertising then" and wouldn't take it for an answer. He asked for us to prove to him that it's less than 268whp and got at least 5 replies with dyno charts of stock WRXs from myself and others as evidence.

AND THEN, he goes on to accuse us of being liars because all the dyno charts had different numbers. So we had to explain to him that every dyno reads differently and other factors such as temperature can produce different readings. All the while he was still not comprehending the fact that although the numbers are different, they're all still less than 268. He then tried to backtrack and call us idiots for arguing about HP numbers and said "who cares about HP, its a Subaru".

So yeah, these are the types of people I think of when arguing over numbers comes to mind. Oh, and he also has an intake on his car with no tune
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Sounds like there's a WRX ready to wrap itself around a tree very soon!
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I was in the 15+ owners group on FB and then left within a week or something because I felt cancer developing in my brain reading some of the **** people in that group would post. The fact that some of those people are allowed to breed or vote is just insane.

I refuse to be in any of those groups because there's no real information or anything of value being exchanged. It's basically just a bunch of clueless people arguing over trivial, redundant **** like: what oil to run, what is needed for 300whp, if Subarus are reliable, if their 18x10 +22 XXR wheels will fit, and who makes the best sounding muffler delete.
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