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Old 02-12-2018, 08:39 AM   #301
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And a hood scoop is a must have to feel like part of the community

flat billed hats, a vape device, and a need for recognition from internet strangers are also must-haves to feel like part of the community.


i wish i had more time to hang out with my REAL friends and family, let alone a bunch of internet "car dudes".
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Old 02-12-2018, 01:43 PM   #302
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The speed at which that ironing board out back is even useful...oh never mind. What is the point discussing facts any more?
It matters to a professional driver on a timed event, but useless for 99% of buyers.

You are talking about image stuff. Image stuff isnít important to many others because they are not insecure. Hoodscops? They should move to fmicís for functional purposes. Allows a larger intercooler located in a much better location on the car. And the ďcommunityĒ, WTF is that? Some hoods up meet somewhere with a bunch of tire kickers?

Youíve got a lot to learn about reality vs. image and marketing.

But, that IS reality. Hence why the market the image? Right?

I like the wing and scoop. I don't care if they got rid of the scoop. I don't like the way the cars look without the wing. It's an "image" burned in my head going back almost to the beginning. Rally car.....big wing.....hood scoop as well; but, like in the case of the Forester, I like the current look. I really don't think a scoop would add anything. Could be wrong. Haven't even seen a photoshop.

I am glad they have the option to delete the wing for those that don't want it; however, I think it should be available on all the trims. They should design the next one to be a "port/dealer" install thing. Good for the customer and good for the dealer as a money maker......
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But, that IS reality. Hence why the market the image? Right?

I like the wing and scoop. I don't care if they got rid of the scoop. I don't like the way the cars look without the wing. It's an "image" burned in my head going back almost to the beginning. Rally car.....big wing.....hood scoop as well; but, like in the case of the Forester, I like the current look. I really don't think a scoop would add anything. Could be wrong. Haven't even seen a photoshop.

I am glad they have the option to delete the wing for those that don't want it; however, I think it should be available on all the trims. They should design the next one to be a "port/dealer" install thing. Good for the customer and good for the dealer as a money maker......
What option to delete the wing? You mean either find someone with a WRX and swap trunks, buy a whole new trunk lid or pay an autobody shop to fill in the holes? While I'm aware that the option for a low profile spoiler is supposed to exist, the chances of having a car delivered without it are slim. Don't get me started on the ordering process either. By the time the head ache has been gone through it's a huge pain in the ass for the consumer to get an STI without a wing.
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Old 02-12-2018, 02:54 PM   #304
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ON Subaru website you can order an STI limited without a wing right now.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:04 PM   #305
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ON Subaru website you can order an STI limited without a wing right now.
The last time I ordered a car was last January, when was it for you?

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I'm now, and was then fully aware of listed options on SOA's web site when I ordered a car. I did in fact order from Subaru. It wasn't a great exchange, the process is too lengthy and it's not what I had envisioned. The process was so lengthy in fact that I didn't end up with the car I ordered. Looking at it from what I've seen when searching the overwhelming majority of car buyers are going to be at the mercy of the stock on the lot, or within a few hundred miles. Dealers don't order loads of wingless STI's, or any, so you're stuck sorting it out yourself.

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Old 02-12-2018, 03:51 PM   #306
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Local dealer has a white Limited without wing. Not gonna lie, looks pretty good.
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Local dealer has a white Limited without wing. Not gonna lie, looks pretty good.
The VA STI just doesn't do well with the park bench IMO. Without it the car is bordering on respectable.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:17 PM   #308
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I'd rather a car do more than it appears capable of, rather than doing less than it sells itself capable of. The giant fake plastic imitation vents and red piping and badges all over are a turn off. Fake anything is a mistake. Functional or gone.
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The speed at which that ironing board out back is even useful...oh never mind. What is the point discussing facts any more?
It matters to a professional driver on a timed event, but useless for 99% of buyers.

You are talking about image stuff. Image stuff isnít important to many others because they are not insecure. Hoodscops? They should move to fmicís for functional purposes. Allows a larger intercooler located in a much better location on the car. And the ďcommunityĒ, WTF is that? Some hoods up meet somewhere with a bunch of tire kickers?

Youíve got a lot to learn about reality vs. image and marketing.
The subaru wave is directly correlated with having a hood scoop. ... that community.

If I didnt want a sporty looking car with a hood scoop Id get a honda accord.. you sound like you want a base impreza looking car. Part of the 10k price difference is style...
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What option to delete the wing? You mean either find someone with a WRX and swap trunks, buy a whole new trunk lid or pay an autobody shop to fill in the holes? While I'm aware that the option for a low profile spoiler is supposed to exist, the chances of having a car delivered without it are slim. Don't get me started on the ordering process either. By the time the head ache has been gone through it's a huge pain in the ass for the consumer to get an STI without a wing.
I've seen more "wingless" STi's on dealer lots than I expected. I believe it's a more popular option than you think.

My local dealer has a wingless WRB Limited, and a neighbor of mine just picked up a wingless CWP a few weeks ago.
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I've seen more "wingless" STi's on dealer lots than I expected. I believe it's a more popular option than you think.

My local dealer has a wingless WRB Limited, and a neighbor of mine just picked up a wingless CWP a few weeks ago.
Maybe it is, just going on what I've observed.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:30 PM   #312
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The subaru wave is directly correlated with having a hood scoop. ... that community.

If I didnt want a sporty looking car with a hood scoop Id get a honda accord.. you sound like you want a base impreza looking car. Part of the 10k price difference is style...
No. You’re an image person obviously and you are real concerned with what others think of what you spend your money on. I’m the opposite, I do not care because it’s my money. I don’t do hoods up car meets, cars n coffee, and tire kicking at some meet because well I’d rather shovel pig dung. Those things are boring and I’d rather drive/ride in the twisties than waste my time. When I owned my hatch STI, I was not concerned with the community. They didn’t like it because it wasn’t a sedan with a park bench on the back. Waving to people was never a concern of mine, not in my cars nor on my sportbikes. I’m busy driving or riding. Strangers don’t pay my bills so waves are some internet crap that means nothing to me.

Subaru’s have never been lookers honestly, sporty looking few of them are, maybe the ‘07 LTD. I still think that model STI looked outstanding and I hate sedans. I drive a Focus RS currently, no hood scoop, and I’m 100% comfortable with the size of my junk.
Style? I don’t buy vehicles for looks. I’ll be looking at it from the drivers seat, making aggressive turns, and banging on the throttle. How I appear to strangers means absolutely nothing to me. I’m not an image person like you. I just don’t care. That’s the difference between secure and insecure. I’d never pay 10k extra for image.
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No. Youíre an image person obviously and you are real concerned with what others think of what you spend your money on. Iím the opposite, I do not care because itís my money. I donít do hoods up car meets, cars n coffee, and tire kicking at some meet because well Iíd rather shovel pig dung. Those things are boring and Iíd rather drive/ride in the twisties than waste my time. When I owned my hatch STI, I was not concerned with the community. They didnít like it because it wasnít a sedan with a park bench on the back. Waving to people was never a concern of mine, not in my cars nor on my sportbikes. Iím busy driving or riding. Strangers donít pay my bills so waves are some internet crap that means nothing to me.

Subaruís have never been lookers honestly, sporty looking few of them are, maybe the Ď07 LTD. I still think that model STI looked outstanding and I hate sedans. I drive a Focus RS currently, no hood scoop, and Iím 100% comfortable with the size of my junk.
Style? I donít buy vehicles for looks. Iíll be looking at it from the drivers seat, making aggressive turns, and banging on the throttle. How I appear to strangers means absolutely nothing to me. Iím not an image person like you. I just donít care. Thatís the difference between secure and insecure. Iíd never pay 10k extra for image.

Still think you have a narrow view on this.. you are making a lot of assumptions on my personality and what I want and care about. I would drive a Focus RS and be happy without a hood scoop too.. but a WRX without a functional Hood scoop isnt a true WRX to me. It would have lost much of its personality. There is more to being excited about and picking a car than "making aggressive turns and banging on the throttle"... a lot of cars can do that.
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Old 02-13-2018, 04:36 PM   #314
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arguing with Pre is like trying to train a cat to use a leash.

to continue the analogy: feed the cat, maybe pet the cat from time to time if it comes to you, but otherwise leave him alone to sleep and bat around the random balled up piece of paper he found. You'll find life is much easier that way.
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Old 02-13-2018, 04:38 PM   #315
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but a WRX without a functional Hood scoop isnt a true WRX to me.


That might be the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever posted.

You define a WRX by whether or not it has a hood scoop?

Anyone who adds a front-mount intercooler, has transformed their car from a WRX or STI to...something else?




New Subaru slogan?

"Inferior intercooler placement to save money, it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru."

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Still think you have a narrow view on this.. you are making a lot of assumptions on my personality and what I want and care about. I would drive a Focus RS and be happy without a hood scoop too.. but a WRX without a functional Hood scoop isnt a true WRX to me. It would have lost much of its personality. There is more to being excited about and picking a car than "making aggressive turns and banging on the throttle"... a lot of cars can do that.
No guy, your mirror needs polishing....you have a narrow view of this. Like Soapbox said, it is an inferior intercooler placement compared to front mount. A scooped hood doesn’t give a car personality, the driving dynamics do. If Subaru switched to a FMIC on a future FMC and performance increased, few would care. At least the enthusiasts or educated enthusiasts wouldn’t care. I guess the hood scoop community might break out tiki torches and head to their closest stealer.
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Dayum. There's peops here that want to buy an STI but don't like hoodscoops and big wings? That's like people saying they want to buy a 911 but don't like the engine being in the back.

Now there will be peops that say an STI isn't defined by those things. But there's never been an STI without those things....

Everyone just wants some news or spy shots at this point....
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I think many people like the STI product just want something more subtle I guess..

I for one miss my STI so I could be in the market once again for the new model, but can do without the wing at this point.

and I think Subaru understand that and that's why STIs are offered wingless now in America and I believe for a while in Japan...
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I would totally be okay with a sleeper-esque STi wagon, but I'd want it painted bright red or some other "look at me" color because people are so distracted by tech that a silver or black car is asking for someone to rear end you when you come to a stop or sideswipe you when they make a lane change and have gone numb to the sound of heir lane departure warning system.
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Dayum. There's peops here that want to buy an STI but don't like hoodscoops and big wings? That's like people saying they want to buy a 911 but don't like the engine being in the back.
? It's nothing like that. One is largely aesthetic, the other not at all.

And, at least personally, I understand as you get older, you can lose the desire to have a car that looks a bit "juvenile". And there is a crowd that wants a more grown-up, toned down version...history has shown that.

But I'm certainly not saying I mind the scoop and wing.

What I'm saying is, if they were to remove the scoop in favor of better-performing front-mount, I certainly wouldn't be silly enough to say the car isn't an STI anymore.

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Now there will be peops that say an STI isn't defined by those things. But there's never been an STI without those things....
That's simply not true. Subaru has sold (and is currently selling?) STIs without the wing.

Moreover, so what?

Subaru has also never sold an STI without a glove box, or an ash tray, or a rear grab handle. I suppose those things define as STI as well?
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Dayum. There's peops here that want to buy an STI but don't like hoodscoops and big wings? That's like people saying they want to buy a 911 but don't like the engine being in the back.

Now there will be peops that say an STI isn't defined by those things. But there's never been an STI without those things....

Everyone just wants some news or spy shots at this point....
Hood scoop is a major thing I think. For me, however, I can take it or leave it. I'm kinda simple. MY definition more lies with WRB with gold wheels. And maybe the wing. STI? I guess I gotta have the wing.
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I think many people like the STI product just want something more subtle I guess..
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That's where the Legacy GT comes in,... or used to.
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This is exactly why I bought my 2005 LGT. It was a WRX for adults.
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This is exactly why I bought my 2005 LGT. It was a WRX for adults.
before I bought my WRX wagon, I was cross shopping the wrx wagon, LGT Spec b., STi, & Forester XT - STi got dropped almost immediately as a candidate partially because nobody would deal on them (or let me test drive), but mostly because of the wing (even though I wanted WRB, that wing was too much) and that the Spec b was a better option as a sedan - more cargo & interior space & more subdued styling. The wrx wagon offered so much more room for activities though, and it was easier/cheaper to get my hands on so it won out; nobody would deal on XT's at the time either, even though I liked the boxy cargo space and rear passenger room, I would have had to lower it to wagon height and swap the steering rack & seats immediately, which just adds money to the equation.

now that I've been in this wagon for, admittedly, too long, I can't see myself going to a sedan, as I haven't had one since the 90's, and that was when I didn't care about practicality at all.

To sum it up, I'm a cheap & picky SOB, and I'll probably end up throwing money at this wagon until there is nothing left of the shell because Ford dealers won't let me test drive a FoRS & Subaru won't deliver a WRX/STi wagon/hatch to the US.
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