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Old 04-11-2018, 07:33 PM   #101
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Arguably "bad" things Subaru has done recently:
1.) Made their styling more "vanilla" in order to increase appeal
2.) CVT all the things
3.) went auto only and eventually dropped the F-XT
I would add the design of the FB engines to that list. Nothing will eat away your reputation faster than a defective engine
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Old 04-12-2018, 03:06 AM   #102
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I would add the design of the FB engines to that list. Nothing will eat away your reputation faster than a defective engine
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:29 AM   #103
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I read here that Subaru is going to show the hybrid version at the Beijing Motor Show. Is this info correct?

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Old 04-16-2018, 10:13 AM   #104
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I read here that Subaru is going to show the hybrid version at the Beijing Motor Show. Is this info correct?

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not exactly sure, but that hybrid is most likely JDM only. Remember the hybrid impreza we they got and we didnt
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:55 AM   #105
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I have to think the XT simply wasn't selling enough. I have to admit I see a lot of Foresters but not very many XT's.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:15 PM   #106
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IMO, the XT was over priced. Interior quality lacked when compared to other equivalently priced CUV's. There's very limited "enthuisast" base left with the bloated, CVT driven XT, so they needed to convince average car buyers that the bit of extra power was worth dealing with the same interior as a 20k base impreza. That's a losing battle. It makes the Outback look like a Bently (at least it did in 2014 when we cross-shopped our Outback with various Foresters, including an XT).
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:02 PM   #107
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Overpriced compared to what? Nothing with the performance and standard AWD compared to the FXT for the money. And if the 10% number is true, 17k annual sales with better margins than the base models isnít too bad. If that were the case Subaru could have killed the FXT 10 years ago or never offered it in the first place. Itís dying because of the Ascent. Same leaning out happened to other models and the Tribeca.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:46 PM   #108
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not exactly sure, but that hybrid is most likely JDM only. Remember the hybrid impreza we they got and we didnt
It's been said a couple times by SOA at autoshows it's coming. Pretty sure they even said it at both the Ascent and Forester reveals.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:37 PM   #109
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Overpriced compared to what? Nothing with the performance and standard AWD compared to the FXT for the money. And if the 10% number is true, 17k annual sales with better margins than the base models isn’t too bad. If that were the case Subaru could have killed the FXT 10 years ago or never offered it in the first place. It’s dying because of the Ascent. Same leaning out happened to other models and the Tribeca.
When we were shopping the RDX was also on the list, and was in the same price range given discounts when equivalently equipped. Better power, better transmission, significantly nicer interior and exterior styling. Would absolutely have bought the RDX over the XT.

But then throw the Outback into the mix, and the XT and RDX went out the window, because it was cheaper, adequately powered, and had interior refinement similar to the RDX.

I would have sprung for the XT if I saw value in it for the target audience (my wife). I did not. It was over priced. YMMV.
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I've been able to get a '14+ Premium FXT for ~$28k or less. I guess I've never even considered an RDX!
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It's been said a couple times by SOA at autoshows it's coming. Pretty sure they even said it at both the Ascent and Forester reveals.
i know that, they said the crosstrek was supposedly going to be the hybrid, but the hybrid forester he was thinking of i believe is the JDM only
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IMO, the XT was over priced. Interior quality lacked when compared to other equivalently priced CUV's. There's very limited "enthuisast" base left with the bloated, CVT driven XT, so they needed to convince average car buyers that the bit of extra power was worth dealing with the same interior as a 20k base impreza. That's a losing battle. It makes the Outback look like a Bently (at least it did in 2014 when we cross-shopped our Outback with various Foresters, including an XT).

One can buy the premium version of the XT and itís about a $3k over a similarly option 2.5i premium. The Touring XT are fully loaded which what makes them so expensive.

I wonder if Subaru is waiting a year or so to implement an optional turbo motor that runs on 87. (Ie release the 2.4DIT motor in the Ascent first to vet out an issues). Of course I have made this assumption in the past Subaru just seemingly discontinues it.
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i know that, they said the crosstrek was supposedly going to be the hybrid, but the hybrid forester he was thinking of i believe is the JDM
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-subaru-forester-unveiled-new-york
Forester would be the most logic choise worldwide.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:58 PM   #114
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I've been able to get a '14+ Premium FXT for ~$28k or less. I guess I've never even considered an RDX!
We were not looking for a poorly equipped vehicle. One can certainly buy a cheaper car with fewer options. But when equivalently equipped, the XT was overpriced.

again, ymmv.
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i know that, they said the crosstrek was supposedly going to be the hybrid, but the hybrid forester he was thinking of i believe is the JDM only
They haven't said what yet. Not officially anyway.

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We were not looking for a poorly equipped vehicle. One can certainly buy a cheaper car with fewer options. But when equivalently equipped, the XT was overpriced.

again, ymmv.
Big discounts drop the resale value. You'll lose more on that RDX in the long run vs the XT. But, depending on the person, that could be perceived value. I know we don't hit Acura's as high on trade in......

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Old 04-16-2018, 10:05 PM   #116
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I have to think the XT simply wasn't selling enough. I have to admit I see a lot of Foresters but not very many XT's.
Hmmm... not to be a contrarian, but I live in the same area you do and I was thinking that this current generation XT has had the highest uptake ever. Granted, they're a little hard to spot without the hoodscoop but I would have reckoned that they're close to 20% or more of the Foresters I see. It could be observer bias though...
My wife dailies a '15 XT, loaded with EyeSight, and I think it's a fine vehicle... she loves it. I suspect it will have nice resale when we move her into an Ascent in a couple years.
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Big discounts drop the resale value. You'll lose more on that RDX in the long run vs the XT. But, depending on the person, that could be perceived value. I know we don't hit Acura's as high on trade in......
I wouldn't argue that an XT might hold more of it's original value over time than the RDX... but ultimately I don't give a whole lot of weight to resale value down the road. I would like to hold onto cars for about 10 years. After that point, if there's some residual value left, great, but I'm not going to buy a different car because it might hold a few K more in value. Just doesn't matter in the big picture. I'll buy what makes the most sense at the moment I purchase it. Too many factors between now and 10 years from now to base a decision on it. Now, that doesn't mean I don't consider VALUE for my dollar. Acura is a premium brand, but when you can get it with incentives, it's priced in line with other less premium brands. I find Honda/Acura to hold decent resale value in the long term as well.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:54 PM   #118
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Big discounts drop the resale value. You'll lose more on that RDX in the long run vs the XT. But, depending on the person, that could be perceived value. I know we don't hit Acura's as high on trade in......
Surprised to hear that. I'm only going off of one data point, but we had a 1st gen Acura TSX and the resale value was probably the best of any car we've owned. We got more than we expected when we got rid of that car. Perhaps things have changed since then though, that was 10 years ago now that we got rid of it.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:42 AM   #119
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Mister Masamichi Kudo (director Subaru Europe ) interesting interview... he says something for the hybrid system. Never saw the video before... He talks of a unique system

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Surprised to hear that. I'm only going off of one data point, but we had a 1st gen Acura TSX and the resale value was probably the best of any car we've owned. We got more than we expected when we got rid of that car. Perhaps things have changed since then though, that was 10 years ago now that we got rid of it.

He doesn't say much of anything(if anything at all) that hasn't already been said.
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He doesn't say much of anything(if anything at all) that hasn't already been said.
He says the hybrid will use a unique system that put Subaru aside from other brands. Subaru has a strong tradition in things and will stay that way. So good news
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btw,
in some japanese rumors they speak also of a mild hybrid version. A E-boxer with electric turbo...pfff
let's wait!!
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:45 AM   #123
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He says the hybrid will use a unique system that put Subaru aside from other brands. Subaru has a strong tradition in things and will stay that way. So good news
Like the report that they are going to use an off-shoot of the Prius system? That only took Subaru 10 years to figure that out.

Sooner or later Subaru has to start offering something compelling and just stop the "we are too small" verbiage. The strong tradition is what? They are talking about offering ice and maybe a wedge of lemon with the water now. Hell, we used to be offered soda and beer.....

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Old 04-29-2018, 06:14 PM   #124
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Based on adoption of more stringent regulations, SUBARU's most prestigious EJ series engines will be fully replaced by FA DIT, so the new WRX STI will be replaced with FA20DIT, and the combat index will definitely be stronger than J20's 308hp/43.0kgm. With a capacity of 320hp/45.0kgm, the FA24DIT developed for Europe and the United States is based on the FA20DIT. The horsepower is at least 318-322hp after the oil supply program, piston rings, bores, etc. are retuned. The standard, and provides 44.8-45.1kgm of torque output, although slightly weaker than the special specification S208 (329hp), but also known as the strongest European and American regulations WRX STI. At the same time, the FA24DIT will also be incorporated into the new Forester's car lineup, just at a later time than the natural intake, and the output power may be reduced to 290-300hp/44.0kgm. It is assumed that the fastest will be after 2019. Will be listed.
The turbo forester for the US market may not be out of reach yet. It seems like a little patience is in order. They also knew we were getting NA engine first.
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Old 04-29-2018, 08:15 PM   #125
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Rumor is ~320 hp ~325 lb ft from FA24DIT in STI trim and ~290 hp ~320 lb ft in Forester XT trim for US market.
Maybe that rumor I posted in the other thread was kinda correct after all.
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