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Old 05-14-2018, 08:20 AM   #1376
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So I’ve missed it somewhere I’m sure. Is the CVT the same unit that shipped with the ‘18 FXTs?
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:36 AM   #1377
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So Ive missed it somewhere Im sure. Is the CVT the same unit that shipped with the 18 FXTs?

Second hand knowledge but Someone mentioned this yes.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:53 AM   #1378
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So I’ve missed it somewhere I’m sure. Is the CVT the same unit that shipped with the ‘18 FXTs?
Yup same TR690 as that used in the 2012 Legacy DIT, 2014+ FXT, 2015+ WRX CVT, WRX S4, Levorg GTS, etc.

http://www.atra.com/Webinars/Import/...troduction.pdf

https://akppro.com/en/archive/articl...artronic-tr690

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Old 05-14-2018, 10:15 AM   #1379
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Yup same TR690 as that used in the 2012 Legacy DIT, 2014+ FXT, 2015+ WRX CVT, WRX S4, Levorg GTS, etc.
I wouldn't say it's the SAME TR690.

Mine is TR690GBXCA

This one is TR690S61DA so I'm sure there are some differences.

I am interested in that CVT cooler solution though....perhaps we could have an OEM USDM add on option available to upgrade our Liquid to Liquid coolers.
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Old 05-14-2018, 10:19 AM   #1380
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Its basically the same - the last few digits diffs between the various flavors of cars they were mated with doesn't matter. TR690 gen 1 is a TR690 gen 1 - minor diffs aside.

Yup, this cooler can be used on any Subaru with a slushbox (4EAT, 5EAT, vanilla CVT, HT-CVT) as an aux or by-pass cooler.
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:57 AM   #1381
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Needs one about twice that size that says STI.

Also, the rig is so huge, a 2.4 anything is going to look tiny inside that engine bay.
Right!? Theres barely enough room for a tS as it is!
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:35 PM   #1382
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I wouldn't say it's the SAME TR690.

Mine is TR690GBXCA

This one is TR690S61DA so I'm sure there are some differences.

I am interested in that CVT cooler solution though....perhaps we could have an OEM USDM add on option available to upgrade our Liquid to Liquid coolers.
Well I would say it is the same, because it is a TR690.
Not some new special super towing CVT TR9000 etc.
Its a TR690. Same transmission from WRX, FXT, Levorg, Legacy DIT.

The last digits are for the model its in and to specify some minor changes like the gasket used which was sometimes a trouble point for the 2014/2015 DIT WRX.

Whats nice is at least they added the jdm cvt cooler and an oil cooler - something that should have been standard with the FXT and WRX/Levorg.
Of course the WRX and FXT come with a cooler but that thing is a joke, more a warmer - especially with higher power levels.
My friends who track their cars in Japan add an additional transmission cooler from the start with an oil cooler.
Sad SOA did not support the optional tS WRX cvt cooler. At least there is a nice amount of aftermarket coolers you can add. Definitely helps

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Old 05-14-2018, 01:35 PM   #1383
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Really does look like an updated Tribeca. Like it never left.
Wait till you see it in person.

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I wouldn't say it's the SAME TR690.

Mine is TR690GBXCA

This one is TR690S61DA so I'm sure there are some differences.

I am interested in that CVT cooler solution though....perhaps we could have an OEM USDM add on option available to upgrade our Liquid to Liquid coolers.
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Its basically the same - the last few digits diffs between the various flavors of cars they were mated with doesn't matter. TR690 gen 1 is a TR690 gen 1 - minor diffs aside.

Yup, this cooler can be used on any Subaru with a slushbox (4EAT, 5EAT, vanilla CVT, HT-CVT) as an aux or by-pass cooler.
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Well I would say it is the same, because it is a TR690.
Not some new special super towing CVT TR9000 etc.
Its a TR690. Same transmission from WRX, FXT, Levorg, Legacy DIT.

The last digits are for the model its in and to specify some minor changes like the gasket used which was sometimes a trouble point for the 2014/2015 DIT WRX.

Whats nice is at least they added the jdm cvt cooler and an oil cooler - something that should have been standard with the FXT and WRX/Levorg.
Of course the WRX and FXT come with a cooler but that thing is a joke, more a warmer - especially with higher power levels.
My friends who track their cars in Japan add an additional transmission cooler from the start with an oil cooler.
Sad SOA did not support the optional tS WRX cvt cooler. At least there is a nice amount of aftermarket coolers you can add. Definitely helps

Cheers

So, it was kinda told to us that the internals of the Ascent CVT vary a good amount from the other CVTs. Want to get into semantics? Then yes, they are the same. Since Subaru reintroduced a CVT, semantically speaking, there have only been 2 of them. But, "basically" the same, from what has been described to me by several different techs, is seriously not accurate. Unless you want to stick to semantics.

One "big" question asked at the training session(and apparently at every training session), was could the trans cooler be added to the base transmission. The answer is no. Now, I am not saying there won't be some aftermarket workup or something cause they also said the intercooler was too big and won't bolt up to an STI. Well, we'll see about that, I am sure.
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Old 05-14-2018, 01:58 PM   #1384
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Same tech rehash as always (and nothing wrong with doing that). It matters less how many revisions of the TR580 or TR690 they make and push into the people haulers.

The slusbhox here is not sufficiently revised to warrant a completely new model designation, bell housing, etc - its simply not a gen 3 Lineatronic CVT. That's all that most on here need or care to know.

This (and any other 'right-sized') trans cooler can easily be added to the TR580 and other TR690s, and can also be used on 4EATs or 5EATs of days past. Same exact part (in black) has been in use on a few JDM TR690 equipped car for a year or two now and there is nothing magic about it. Plumb away as you please (with/without thermostat bypass, radiator bypass, etc.).

Test drive was disappointing (details over at LegacyGT if anyone cares for them), but again, I'm not in the target demographic for this vehicle - took one for the team if you will.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:14 PM   #1385
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But saying that it is not different enough to warrant a completely new designation isn't much an argument though. The Boxer motor is on it's 3rd generation. In 50 years. But, trying putting, say, 1992 parts on a 2010. Some things may work. Most won't. But, they are both 2nd gen engines.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:42 PM   #1386
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True. I think its still the right transmission for the job here.

My personal opinion is that the FAxxDITs are best paired with HT-CVTs.
This combo just works, and it works great in both the FXT, WRX/S4, Levorg and now the Ascent.
No DSG/PDKs needed.

Next big shift is if they find an effective way to marry their AWD tech (or some iteration of it) with electric motors
(per axle, per hub, etc.) and deliver EVs at a competitive price-point (say at first $40-60K, and eventually $25-40K).

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Old 05-15-2018, 11:31 AM   #1387
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Anyone know if 17s will fit the Ascent? Not sure if I should ditch my outback snows. My guess is they would have put 17s as vase option if they fit.

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Old 05-15-2018, 12:16 PM   #1388
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Anyone know if 17s will fit the Ascent? Not sure if I should ditch my outback snows.
Vrry likely, check out cars101 or find some other means to determine the disc brake diammeters - that will be telling. 17s are likely at the bare minimum and would require a particular design to clear the calipers.
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Old 05-15-2018, 12:30 PM   #1389
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front discs 13.1" ventilated, single piston floating calipers

I guess I can measure my 17" which are Subaru OEM steelies off an Outback.
I'd need to see if those tires meet the weight requirements for the Ascent also.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:29 AM   #1390
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Test drive was disappointing (details over at LegacyGT if anyone cares for them), but again, I'm not in the target demographic for this vehicle - took one for the team if you will.
You are the first review I've seen that said it was disappointing, granted all the other ones I have seen were from people that were planning on buying it, or sales peeps. Be interesting to see what unbiased reviews look like.
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You are the first review I've seen that said it was disappointing, granted all the other ones I have seen were from people that were planning on buying it, or sales peeps. Be interesting to see what unbiased reviews look like.
Details here:, but yes, a bit biased since I have no interest in this vehicle other than academic and part transplant to other Subarus:http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=701
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front discs 13.1" ventilated, single piston floating calipers

I guess I can measure my 17" which are Subaru OEM steelies off an Outback.
I'd need to see if those tires meet the weight requirements for the Ascent also.
They are 0.7" bigger than my Outbacks, however my Outback steelie 17's seem like they have about 15" of clearance at the lowest point and get bigger - so I guess it will depend on the height of the caliper it may or may not work.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:33 PM   #1393
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Details here:, but yes, a bit biased since I have no interest in this vehicle other than academic and part transplant to other Subarus:http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=701
"But at this price point, the competition has never looked better."

What vehicle(s) do you think are better options?

Well this was nice of you to say...."Or perhaps JustyWRC, SoADealer or some of the other kool-aid sipping NASIOC fans will."
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:02 PM   #1394
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What I think matters not. And yes, I stand by above.
It only take a few minutes skim across the threads on here to come to the same conclusions.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:07 PM   #1395
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Should test drive it next month, will post my review also.
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What I think matters not.
Honestly I would like to know. We've been shopping 3-row vehicles for years to try to find one that fit what we are looking for and feel like the Ascent is it for us.
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What I think matters not. And yes, I stand by above.
It only take a few minutes skim across the threads on here to come to the same conclusions.
I think it does...just curious to know what you think of the competition and what is more or less desirable about it compared to the Ascent.
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:18 PM   #1398
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What I think matters not.
You posted a review on a forum.
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You posted a review on a forum.
Not sure if serious? These forums are filled with opinion and useless misinformation (likely 99% of what's on here), none of it, including mine matters. What I think of this vehicle is as much opinion as personal taste/choice. Whoever is looking for something this size and from this brand should come to their own conclusions.
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What I think matters not. And yes, I stand by above.
It only take a few minutes skim across the threads on here to come to the same conclusions.
You state that you aren't anywhere near the target demographic for this vehicle, but you also state that the competition has never looked better at this price point. Just wondering how much do you know about the competition if a 3rd row Mid-size SUV isn't for you?

Now I might be a little biased as I have two Subarus in the driveway, however I have done a lot of research on 3-row vehicles. Below is a run down of what I've found concerning Mid-size SUV's. I'm leaving mini-vans (low tow capacity) and Full-size SUV's (too expensive) out of this comparison.

Seating Capacity
Personally I don't see a reason to buy a 7 seater with three seats across the 2nd row. If I have to slide a seat forward to access the 3rd row I might as well have an extra seat and get an 8 seater. Or I get a 7 seater with pilots and have the convenience of not having to slide a seat at all. Below are a list of vehicles that fit criteria.

Chevy Traverse
Honda Pilot
Subaru Ascent
Toyota Highlander

Now with that list in mind, I priced these vehicles based on my preferences listed below. Prices listed are MSRP directly from manufacturers website with freight included.

AWD
5000lb Towing Capacity
Trailer Hitch Receiver
Leather Seating
Driver Assist/Safety Package
Roof Rack
All-weather Floor Liners/Mats
Moon-roof (wife's requirement)

Chevy Traverse - $54,170
This is the High Country Trim, in order to get driver assist package you have to get this trim which is the highest. With everything on my list minus the driver assist the prices comes down to $45,920.

Honda Pilot - $42,644
This is the EX-L trim. I added $400 to the MSRP on the website for the ATF cooler which is necessary for towing 5000lbs. That $400 is for parts and labor.

Subaru Ascent - $43,833
Priced the Lmited model with Panoramic moon-roof package.

Toyota Highlander - $43,818
This is the SE trim.


Now, there are lot of other things and little details to consider. I'm not going get into more detail at the risk of writing a book. However, the Subaru Ascent seems to be priced well when it comes to fulfilling my personal preferences. Obviously others preferences and logic may vary compared to mine, though I wouldn't say the pricing of the Ascent makes the competition look better.
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