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Old 08-30-2018, 08:19 AM   #76
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To each his own Brahmzy. This concept must escape you. Nearly two decades ago, I daily drove a E36 EU-spec M3 for 8+ years - now that was a driver's car worthy of its era. The M2 they sell now doesn't even come close. For as many counter-arguments as anyone can come up with, I doubt I am alone in this opinion. If anything, the current M2 makes a good weekend toy for the opposite sex.
Driven boat loads of Ms from every gen. Used to run buddies E30 on the track with him a lot. Lovely cars. You’re living in the past.
Nobody is making cars like that anymore. Wake up. Short of Porsche, the electronic steering and safety nannies have changed the cars. Keep clinging to yesteryear though.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:11 AM   #77
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Why is it taking an additional year over previous gen? The SGP Impreza will be riding on it's 5th year due for a completely new generation by the time it drops. Sometimes I prefer the old poor unsuccessful GM stake Subaru to the current one. 7 years of the current WRX with very little change. Ridiculous.

Additional year? 2008-2014MYs of the previous gen waiting.
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:59 AM   #78
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The prior 2 generations had a boatload of changes AND two body styles to choose from.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:55 AM   #79
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I'm surprised no one from a dealer has posted this yet, but at our pre-launch Ascent training early this year they talked about future product timeline. Legacy/Outback is obviously 2020 Model Year, but they mentioned WRX/STI will be 2021 MY. It bummed me out.
That's a major disappointment.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:12 AM   #80
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To each his own Brahmzy. This concept must escape you. Nearly two decades ago, I daily drove a E36 EU-spec M3 for 8+ years - now that was a driver's car worthy of its era. The M2 they sell now doesn't even come close. For as many counter-arguments as anyone can come up with, I doubt I am alone in this opinion. If anything, the current M2 makes a good weekend toy for the opposite sex.
What a crock of ****. Please enlighten us on what manly machine you drive.

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Old 08-31-2018, 06:45 AM   #81
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^^ No joke, ha. At this point an E36 is so long in the tooth, I6 turbo direct injected is no freakin joke. Torque for days, right now. E36 is anemic in power in comparison. Driving dynamics have changed, weight has changed, steering has changed. These days, give me torque. M2 is an awesome package. The road feedback / steering is still a tough pill, but I’d get over it. Still cannot believe M engineers haven’t figured that out.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:42 AM   #82
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If I was in the market for a fast German car I would definitely skip right over BMW and go directly to Porsche (or an AMG wagon). There is no way I would sign up for a new M3 after riding in an E36 with schreck cams and individual throttle bodies. That car was insane. The new ones don't really tickle my fancy at all.

The M2 isn't for chicks, but it definitely is for brodawgs who like power numbers.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:11 PM   #83
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So I guess what we're saying here is.....no news about the forthcoming WRX/STI.....
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:15 PM   #84
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So I guess what we're saying here is.....no news about the forthcoming WRX/STI.....
???

This is a BMW thread now.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:20 PM   #85
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My bad, silly me....I was looking for the Miata thread. Thats in OT right? Along with the Bimmer thread?
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:23 PM   #86
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"But I came in here for an argument!"
"No, no, this is abuse"
Vacuous toffee-nosed malodorous pervert...
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And the Camaro thread is now a WRX thread.
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Old 09-01-2018, 04:11 PM   #88
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My dealer convinced me to upgrade my 2017 STI to 2019. Claims no new STI before 2021. They also think 2.4 not 2.0.
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Old 09-01-2018, 07:52 PM   #89
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so I just traded my 2018 RA on an '18 M2. This was coming out of a 2017 STI ltd before the RA.

I loved my STI's.... both stock...but always thought the cars needed more HP.

Just drove the M2 home 100 miles and it definitely does NOT need any more power.

still trying to get a feel for the car. Initial impression is that power throughout the revband is insane. But clutch is too light and the take-up is too high. Exhaust sounds amazing. Rev match is driving me crazy. Need to find a way to disable it.

best part is that I had replaced the trunk and spoiler on my RA with a lip/WRX lid. And the dealer never asked for it. Wonder how much a badged RA trunk and spoiler is worth....
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:33 PM   #90
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so I just traded my 2018 RA on an '18 M2. This was coming out of a 2017 STI ltd before the RA.

I loved my STI's.... both stock...but always thought the cars needed more HP.

Just drove the M2 home 100 miles and it definitely does NOT need any more power.

still trying to get a feel for the car. Initial impression is that power throughout the revband is insane. But clutch is too light and the take-up is too high. Exhaust sounds amazing. Rev match is driving me crazy. Need to find a way to disable it.

best part is that I had replaced the trunk and spoiler on my RA with a lip/WRX lid. And the dealer never asked for it. Wonder how much a badged RA trunk and spoiler is worth....
I know the Next owner is really going to want to know. Just the wing alone is over $3.5k.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:16 PM   #91
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so I just traded my 2018 RA on an '18 M2. This was coming out of a 2017 STI ltd before the RA.

I loved my STI's.... both stock...but always thought the cars needed more HP.

Just drove the M2 home 100 miles and it definitely does NOT need any more power.

still trying to get a feel for the car. Initial impression is that power throughout the revband is insane. But clutch is too light and the take-up is too high. Exhaust sounds amazing. Rev match is driving me crazy. Need to find a way to disable it.

best part is that I had replaced the trunk and spoiler on my RA with a lip/WRX lid. And the dealer never asked for it. Wonder how much a badged RA trunk and spoiler is worth....
You are just telling yourself it does NOT need power... Wait and see... You can't stop it.
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Old 09-02-2018, 08:11 AM   #92
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My dealer convinced me to upgrade my 2017 STI to 2019. Claims no new STI before 2021. They also think 2.4 not 2.0.
Out of curiosity, what made you decide to update to the 2019? What feature did it have that your 2017 didnít?
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will the hatchback ever comeback?
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:13 AM   #94
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will the hatchback ever comeback?
Should not say ďeverĒ but Subaru wonít bring WRX/STI for a while.
Looks like we will not see hatchback for next generation WRX/STI so at least another 7 years???
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:22 AM   #95
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so I just traded my 2018 RA on an '18 M2. This was coming out of a 2017 STI ltd before the RA.

I loved my STI's.... both stock...but always thought the cars needed more HP.

Just drove the M2 home 100 miles and it definitely does NOT need any more power.

still trying to get a feel for the car. Initial impression is that power throughout the revband is insane. But clutch is too light and the take-up is too high. Exhaust sounds amazing. Rev match is driving me crazy. Need to find a way to disable it.

best part is that I had replaced the trunk and spoiler on my RA with a lip/WRX lid. And the dealer never asked for it. Wonder how much a badged RA trunk and spoiler is worth....
Nice!
If you think itís fun now, go with a full tune, down pipe and yank the cats off.
Then things get real fun. So much untapped power on the turbo Bimmers.
And yes torque hits super early and pulls like a mofo all the way up.
Not like the EJ that has this super narrow bump after a long wait, then it falls flat on its face. Whatís crazy is at 75mph, slam the gas in the right gear and the Bimmer just freakin pulls like a freight train. STIs have never done that.
Good swap. Did you get the Comp?
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:43 AM   #96
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Nice!
If you think itís fun now, go with a full tune, down pipe and yank the cats off.
Then things get real fun. So much untapped power on the turbo Bimmers.
And yes torque hits super early and pulls like a mofo all the way up.
Not like the EJ that has this super narrow bump after a long wait, then it falls flat on its face. Whatís crazy is at 75mph, slam the gas in the right gear and the Bimmer just freakin pulls like a freight train. STIs have never done that.
Good swap. Did you get the Comp?
i got an '18 base leftover at invoice (about $4k off a $58k sticker), 6MT and sunroof-delete which was extremely hard to locate.

BMW is putting the M3/M4 engine in the '19 M2 (and calling it the Competition) and there is a 40hp bump but they are absolutely unobtanium and all the dealers I spoke with were only taking orders on future possible allocations with a $5k minimum markup, plus the sticker price went up $5k from '18 to '19.... so it would have cost me $15k+ more to get into a Comp.

given my relatively novice driving skills, the car really does not need any more power. it's tail happy even with traction control on. i haven't driven a fast RWD car since my '91 foxbody. Gonna have to ease into this one a bit. Not a car that i'll be driving in the rain.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:01 PM   #97
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Ah that’s right - forgot the Comp is 2019 > on.
What tires came on your 18?
I went to Michelin Pilot Super Sports and had gobs of traction after that. Helped give me a lot of at the limit confidence.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:10 PM   #98
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the car really does not need any more power. it's tail happy even with traction control on. i haven't driven a fast RWD car since my '91 foxbody. Gonna have to ease into this one a bit. Not a car that i'll be driving in the rain.
Yeah, and as long as you can ďpull hardĒ at 75 mph on the freeway with out down shifting, thatís really what German car driving is all about.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:25 PM   #99
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Ah thatís right - forgot the Comp is 2019 > on.
What tires came on your 18?
I went to Michelin Pilot Super Sports and had gobs of traction after that. Helped give me a lot of at the limit confidence.
oem on mine are continental sportcontacts but I have heard that some 18's came with the Michelin PSS's. i think it might be luck of the draw. i doubt i'll ever track my car and the way I drive i don't think i'll miss the Michelins and will probably do a little better with tread life on the contis.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:36 PM   #100
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Not a car that i'll be driving in the rain.
This is why I love the AWD turbos. In the rain I speed up.

Congrats on the new ride.
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