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Old 06-15-2018, 12:58 PM   #301
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What viscosity does Subaru Japan suggest? From what Iíve heard the 0w20 is largely a US thing. But my question would be if the rest of the world suggests something like a 5w30 on the same engine, what harm could come from switching to a heavier weight?
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:32 PM   #302
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... Foz XT (assuming the Foz has a Turbo option in the future, since it's gone now...)
It's not gone.
Forester XT New is widely available in Europe: http://subaru.ua/characteristics/for...nt=20xt_ns_cvt
Sorry for link in Ukrainian, but I could translate to you if you would like.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:47 PM   #303
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It's not gone.
Forester XT New is widely available in Europe: http://subaru.ua/characteristics/for...nt=20xt_ns_cvt
Sorry for link in Ukrainian, but I could translate to you if you would like.
Sorry I was referring to the US market. For example we (US) never had the EE series Diesel engine.
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:08 PM   #304
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Sorry I was referring to the US market. For example we (US) never had the EE series Diesel engine.
Diesel Subaru's are widely available in SOME European countries.
We in Ukraine don't have diesels too, but the reason is, that Ukrainian diesel is not of the best quality. Subaru Ukraine brought one Diesel Forester for try and their employer (my friend - he is Warranty Engineer of Subaru Ukraine) was "test-driving" it, then bought for himself (however, he mentioned, that diesel engine of Subaru is not rebuildable at all). He sold it after 100k km.
My friend told me, that "soot filter" for diesel (like our catalytic converter) cost for replacement is 10 000 USD from dealers price, so they refuse to sell diesels in Ukraine.
For US the reason could be problems with diesel of VW Group.

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Old 06-15-2018, 06:35 PM   #305
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What viscosity does Subaru Japan suggest? From what Iíve heard the 0w20 is largely a US thing. But my question would be if the rest of the world suggests something like a 5w30 on the same engine, what harm could come from switching to a heavier weight?


Lol. Subaru Japan allows high SAPS Euro 0W-30 and 5W-40 in the 2.0DIT. Use Chrome or something to translate.

https://www.subaru.jp/accessory/engi...miumoil02.html

https://www.subaru.jp/accessory/engi...premium01.html

IMO, if you use anything other than 0W-20 you might be taking a chance in regards to the warranty. Keep in mind that the operational viscosity of a GF-5 5W-30 isnít much different than a 0W-20 anyway. But with the rest of the world allowing thicker viscosity I doubt youíd do any harm if that is the route you want to take.

Not sure what Iíd do if I was in the market for an Ascent. Maybe add some ZDDP and antimony. http://renewablelube.com/files/7514/...ooster_Pak.pdf

Would definitely want to have a warranty during ownership. OTOH, the SQ5 specs 0W-20 although only a 0W-20 that meets the specific VW spec. With oils getting thinner, 5W-30 will soon seem like thick oil.

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Old 06-15-2018, 09:35 PM   #306
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Lol. Subaru Japan allows high SAPS Euro 0W-30 and 5W-40 in the 2.0DIT. Use Chrome or something to translate.

https://www.subaru.jp/accessory/engi...miumoil02.html

https://www.subaru.jp/accessory/engi...premium01.html

IMO, if you use anything other than 0W-20 you might be taking a chance in regards to the warranty. Keep in mind that the operational viscosity of a GF-5 5W-30 isnít much different than a 0W-20 anyway. But with the rest of the world allowing thicker viscosity I doubt youíd do any harm if that is the route you want to take.

Not sure what Iíd do if I was in the market for an Ascent. Maybe add some ZDDP and antimony. http://renewablelube.com/files/7514/...ooster_Pak.pdf

Would definitely want to have a warranty during ownership. OTOH, the SQ5 specs 0W-20 although only a 0W-20 that meets the specific VW spec. With oils getting thinner, 5W-30 will soon seem like thick oil.
Yup. 0w16 and probably 0w8 is right around the corner.

I donít mind running 0w20 if it serves a purpose. I donít want to just run it because it saves a few mpg over a year at the expense of engine wear.

No to ZDDP. I know people swear by it. I believe it is detrimental to the cat.

Iíd rather put in Liqui Moly MoS2 every oil change. Iíve added that now to my EJ253, not sure itís helping or hurting to be honest. I think it could be observer expectation bias.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:16 PM   #307
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Forgive my ignorance on the topic as I am new to this. It appears that EFE might be slightly better for me, if my understanding here is correct (which it might not be.)

From what I am reading, it seems like an RC is just not an optimal choice for my spirited driving with the EJ257, especially when it reaches 90-100F here. However, in the winter it can also reach 20F on a pretty regular basis, and 0F during the worst of cold fronts.

From my limited knowledge, it appears that any of the X-Cleans should work reasonably for the EJ and present a decent balance of warranty assurance vs. protecting the bearings (at the expense of slightly shorter drain intervals and a pricing premium). Is this correct?

If I choose any of the X-Cleans and pair it with an OEM filter, 4,000 to 5,000 miles appears to be a reasonable expectation for intervals. However, is it correct to assume that EFE's slightly higher TBN may mean it will provide somewhat longer drain intervals from the other two? (I read that the TBN decline is not linear, but given the similarities among the different X-Cleans, could we assume that one oil this similar to another with a higher TBN could support longer intervals?) - if so, then I think the EFE is the one for me.

Both FE and EFE say "Subaru" on the MSDS as well as "turbo" - where as the + does not mention either of these. From a warranty perspective, would choosing one of these be potentially better should any problem arise?

Thanks for all the help!
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:13 AM   #308
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Forgive my ignorance on the topic as I am new to this. It appears that EFE might be slightly better for me, if my understanding here is correct (which it might not be.)

From what I am reading, it seems like an RC is just not an optimal choice for my spirited driving with the EJ257, especially when it reaches 90-100F here. However, in the winter it can also reach 20F on a pretty regular basis, and 0F during the worst of cold fronts.

From my limited knowledge, it appears that any of the X-Cleans should work reasonably for the EJ and present a decent balance of warranty assurance vs. protecting the bearings (at the expense of slightly shorter drain intervals and a pricing premium). Is this correct?

If I choose any of the X-Cleans and pair it with an OEM filter, 4,000 to 5,000 miles appears to be a reasonable expectation for intervals. However, is it correct to assume that EFE's slightly higher TBN may mean it will provide somewhat longer drain intervals from the other two? (I read that the TBN decline is not linear, but given the similarities among the different X-Cleans, could we assume that one oil this similar to another with a higher TBN could support longer intervals?) - if so, then I think the EFE is the one for me.

Both FE and EFE say "Subaru" on the MSDS as well as "turbo" - where as the + does not mention either of these. From a warranty perspective, would choosing one of these be potentially better should any problem arise?

Thanks for all the help!


Yes, I would go with the higher TBN. From a warranty perspective only Eco-Lite meets all of the recommendations in the manual. If there is a claim the main thing that the dealer will want to see though is oil receipts showing 5W-30.

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Old 07-13-2018, 05:09 PM   #309
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I am going to run Chevron Havoline Pro DS V 5w 30 in my 2007 WRX. HTHS 3.5 min and VI at 174. Looks like a very good all rounder. Might this be added to the approved list ?
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:27 PM   #310
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I am going to run Chevron Havoline Pro DS V 5w 30 in my 2007 WRX. HTHS 3.5 min and VI at 174. Looks like a very good all rounder. Might this be added to the approved list ?

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Presume you are in the UK, Mr. Royal Navy? ĎMurica doesnít get Pro DS V that I can find. Only the girly man Resource Conserving 5W30.

https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/P...&docFormat=PDF

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https://europe.havoline.com/en-UK/pr...ne-pro-ds.html
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Old 07-30-2018, 02:18 PM   #311
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Hey all, new 2017 WRX owner here. I've been browsing these forums like crazy in an attempt to soak up all of the knowledge I can about properly maintaining my newly acquired car.

I've become a bit apprehensive because everything I've read so far points to the fact that synthetic oil should be used in the FA20, but upon returning home from the dealer, I discovered that they put conventional oil in the car. I've been trying to convince myself that, per the manual, conventional oil can be used, but I find the specific wording in the manual to not be very reassuring.

What is my best course of action here? Am I okay to let it ride for a short interval, or should I be getting the oil swapped to synthetic ASAP?

I apologize in advance if this topic has been addressed at all previously, but I have not had luck finding many instances where conventional oil use in the FA20 has been discussed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Accidental double post correction.

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Hey all, new 2017 WRX owner here. I've been browsing these forums like crazy in an attempt to soak up all of the knowledge I can about properly maintaining my newly acquired car.



I've become a bit apprehensive because everything I've read so far points to the fact that synthetic oil should be used in the FA20, but upon returning home from the dealer, I discovered that they put conventional oil in the car. I've been trying to convince myself that, per the manual, conventional oil can be used, but I find the specific wording in the manual to not be very reassuring.



What is my best course of action here? Am I okay to let it ride for a short interval, or should I be getting the oil swapped to synthetic ASAP?



I apologize in advance if this topic has been addressed at all previously, but I have not had luck finding many instances where conventional oil use in the FA20 has been discussed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Conventional oils these days are far better than they were say 5 years ago and youíd probably be fine with a short interval on the conventional oil (3k miles). That said, Iíd go back to the dealer and have then change it because synthetic should be used. Iíd also find somewhere else to get an oil change.
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Thank you for the response! I just wasn't satisfied with the uncertainty, so I took the car to another dealer (one with many positive reviews in the local Subaru community). The experience was pleasurable, and they seemed to really care about the car and assured me everything would be taken care of in terms of an oil change.

On my way out, I read over the invoice and felt confident as it listed the part numbers for a 5W-30 full synthetic oil change, even down to the crush washer. Upon arriving home, however, I examined the oil change sticker that was left on the windshield, and it stated 0W-20 SYN as the grade of oil.

I am both annoyed and conflicted. On the one hand, I'd like to give the service technician the benefit of the doubt, but on the other, I find it shocking that they could be so careless as to not the bother to change the grade on the sticker. The dealer is about 40 mins away, so although I intend to follow up with them, it is not simply a matter of quickly bringing the car to them to correct the issue. I start a new job on Monday and will have no choice but to drive the car regardless.

Have there been any similar experiences that turned out to just be carelessness on the part of the service tech in generating the windshield sticker? I guess this is why so many choose to DIY, and although I'm technically capable, I live in an apartment complex and am limited in what I can do. My wife is going to think I'm crazy if I take my car to yet another service shop, but I also hate imagining it being negatively impacted by something as simple as an oil change.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:34 AM   #315
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It seems youre having a string of bad luck with your semi local dealerships, but its entirely possible the tech who put the window sticker in the car was distracted at some point but actually used the correct oil weight. Ive been guilty of that myself, but the only step to take now (without a 3rd oil change) would be to assume a brainfart happened when printing the sticker while at the same time finding some local subaru guys/gals in your area and seeing where/who does their work.
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Old 08-22-2018, 04:21 PM   #316
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Has anyone heard of this new Valvoline "Modern Engine" Full Synthetic Oil?

It's very interesting because it seems to be specifically targeting carbon-buildup on Direct Injection and Turbocharged engines like the FA20DIT on our 2015+ WRX's.

https://team.valvoline.com/promo/modern-engine

Yet the 11% NOACK seems to be a bit higher compared to some other oils like Pennzoil Platinum (not Ultra) if I'm correct?

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publi...2-ac162d889bd1
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:19 PM   #317
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Valvoline is finally catching up to others in reducing calcium to help mitigate LSPI. Mobil 1 reformulated 2 or 3 years ago. ZDDP is being reduced to help with intake valve deposits. Shell no longer publishes NOACK so if you see it listed on a data sheet check the date.

Virgin viscosity is under 10 cSt so it will shear to a 20 grade when you start the car!

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum..._Engine_5w30_V

Note that some newer oils are now boosting zinc since it has been shown that zinc also helps mitigate LSPI.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:51 AM   #318
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A couple changes ago I went to M1 0W40 Euro formula. No real changes other than running a couple degrees warmer overall. Haven't done a UOA yet.
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Old 09-08-2018, 01:52 PM   #319
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A couple changes ago I went to M1 0W40 Euro formula. No real changes other than running a couple degrees warmer overall. Haven't done a UOA yet.
While this is a popular oil, curious on the consensus with LSPI in mind. I thought, maybe wrong, that the current FS formulation still has high calcium numbers. Castrol Edge 0w40 being the other cheap competitor that might be an interesting look.

Of course this is all pulling hair.
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Have anybody heard of Petronas engine oils?

I am choosing w60 oil for my loose build, as the clearances allow it, plus I want to bump my oil pressure, and I came across Petronas Syntium Racer 10W-60 that has viscosity index higher than motul, miller and other oils
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Have anybody heard of Petronas engine oils?

I am choosing w60 oil for my loose build, as the clearances allow it, plus I want to bump my oil pressure, and I came across Petronas Syntium Racer 10W-60 that has viscosity index higher than motul, miller and other oils


Sure. On the side of the Mercedes F1 cars is where most of us see it. Probably a good oil. Hard to believe you need a 60, but yolo.
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