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Old 11-07-2018, 09:33 PM   #1
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Hello! As the title says, I'm new here to the forums. Looking to post a few messages here to ask for some opinions and to validate myself so I can use the classifieds because..

A few years back I bought my dream car... a WRX hatch. I picked up a 2014 base model because that was all I could afford at the time, and I wanted to scoop it up as they had just announced they weren't making WRX hatchbacks for '15. I freaking LOVE this car. I kept it 100% stock. Yes that's super basic, but it's everything I've ever wanted in a car and I didn't want to mess it up.

Times change though, and now it's time to get something a little more practical (cheaper gas, better milage, easier commute, and honestly more technology). I'm torn between a crosstrek, impreza, legacy, or forester. I'd love to keep at least SOME of the zip the WRX has, but I know you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Have you guys got any stories about giving up your baby for something a little more modern? Any regrets? I use that car as a daily commuter... I feel like that an injustice; she deserves to be free on the open road.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:01 PM   #2
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have you ever driven a non-turbo suby? zippy is about the exact opposite of what you will get. if you want something zippy with good mileage you will probably need to look at front wheel drive non-subaru cars. NA subarus are SLOOWWWWWWW.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:02 PM   #3
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The Crosstrek is the last thing you want if you want any decent performance. It's dog ass slow and shouldn't be.

You probably want to look at a Legacy 3.6R or a 2019 Forester Sport. If you're good with a sedan, Legacy hands down. However, the WRX has a decent amount of room. I'd think longer and harder before giving it up.

I gave up my STI to get into a brz and used it as my DD commuter car. Absolutely loved every minute of it. It was fun even in traffic despite being an MT and a never ending joy on the open road. The only reason I don't drive it now is that it was totaled and I needed a 4dr now that I have a family. So I got a WRX b/c it's practical without giving up any performance.

Anyone who says you "need" to give up the joy of driving just because you're older is lying to you. Drive what is enjoyable as long as it can still fulfill what you need it to (and a WRX hatch can do just about anything except move an apartment). Don't trade down for boring just because you think it's the "mature" thing to do.

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Old 11-07-2018, 10:05 PM   #4
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To be honest the WRX with a good tune will get as good or better mileage than a regular outback or other subys that can barely get out of their own way.
i went on a road trip with my family, i was driving my WRX and my dad was driving the outback and he was burning way more gas on the highway than i was.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:32 PM   #5
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Had a bugeye WRX for 11 years loved commuting in it. Now I have an ‘11 LGT because two kids in car seats. Love it. I probably average 22 MPG in commuting. I spent a week in a loaner ‘16 FXT and it got roughly the same mileage but it was slower. I spent a week in a loaner ‘17 Outback 2.5 and it got roughly the same mileage and was slow. I spent two weeks in a Nissan Murano and got ~ 0.5 MPG better. Spent some time in a Chevy Cruze and got much better mileage but it was super SLOW.

I’ve heard the CVT WRXs can get decent mileage but I’ve never driven one.

Moral of my drivel...just because you’re in a boring Subaru doesn’t mean you’re gonna save money on gas. Maybe look into a Honda or Prius.

If you want more tech, maybe a new head unit will quench your thirst....
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:38 AM   #6
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Love all the feedback, really appreciate it guys.

A huge factor for me is traffic in the DC metro area. I just cannot stand driving manual anymore in <5 mph stop and go traffic. I don't know though... Part of me still really enjoys having the ability to accelerate really really fast, but the other part of me is ready to move on to something with more features for the price range. The new dream car is a fast luxury I suppose, but I don't have that kind of money. Would be happy to stay in the subaru family for the AWD, features, and safety, which is why I was asking for advice. I'll take a look at the legacy and forester sport, but I definitely won't get my hopes up. I might look at the WRX CVT too, but I'm afraid for the price point I just won't get the bells and whistles I want...
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Old 11-08-2018, 06:51 AM   #7
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Sounds like a Mazda 3 or 6 is more of what you are looking for, although you loose AWD.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:17 AM   #8
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I just traded out of my base Impreza Lease to a Premium trim Crosstrek.

Biggest factor to swap was Ride height. When your fast and low you have maneuverability. When you’re low and slow. Janet in her Land Crusher crossing 5 lanes , to get off at Tyson’s corner to get her Starbucks Fix ; gives absolutely no F*€&$ about running a tiny car off the road.

But seriously that extra ride height = better visibility, plus Eyesight on I-95 is a godsend. Get over 20mph set it, and all you have to do is touch the gas to start moving after eyesight stopped the car. You’re doing 50% of the pedal dance in stop and go. And the new gen now have 4 setting accel aggressiveness adjustment from eco to “dynamic” witch I consider what is needed so you don’t get cut off every 5 seconds.

But basically any 2019 Outback/Forester/Crosstrek with eyesight is awesome in stop and go.

Keep your WRX for the weekend if you can.

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Love all the feedback, really appreciate it guys.

A huge factor for me is traffic in the DC metro area. I just cannot stand driving manual anymore in <5 mph stop and go traffic. I don't know though... Part of me still really enjoys having the ability to accelerate really really fast, but the other part of me is ready to move on to something with more features for the price range. The new dream car is a fast luxury I suppose, but I don't have that kind of money. Would be happy to stay in the subaru family for the AWD, features, and safety, which is why I was asking for advice. I'll take a look at the legacy and forester sport, but I definitely won't get my hopes up. I might look at the WRX CVT too, but I'm afraid for the price point I just won't get the bells and whistles I want...
Then, and as I'm an ordained minister of the Holy Mother Church of the Pedal Trinity (Gas, Brake, and the Holy Clutch) I am loathe to say this, but a CVT WRX would probably be your best bet.

The new WRXs accelerate insanely quick and eyesight will give you fair warning against the Tahoe with no f***s to give in order to get her hippie Starbucks fix. The xv can't accelerate in order to be able to maneuver, so eyesight won't help you when it can't maneuver due to lack of power.

The WRX is a congestion sniper. You drop a gear (in cvt even easier as you just click your paddle a few times) to bring engine speed up to 3k, hit the gas and WHAM you nail that gap that just opened up. And with eyesight you'll have that looking out for you.

I'd get a fully optioned Limited as that adds rear automatic braking and blind side detection. In DC traffic you'll need all the help you can get.

I would never get a cvt even for DC traffic. I love MT far too much, however I understand that you can't stand it anymore.

But that doesn't mean that you need to get out of the WRX anymore. Check with MySubaru.com regarding guaranteed trade-in value on your WRX and order a fully optioned WRX limited w/ cvt. There's a NJ dealership that will give you an outstanding price and will also give you an outstanding trade. Check the tri-state vendor classifieds here. I just bought my WRX from them and got a screaming deal.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:19 AM   #10
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Go drive them. Comparing a Crosstrek to a Legacy is comparing an empty beer can with wheels zip tied on to a real car.

(I own a 13 Crosstrek limited CVT and a 17 Legacy limited, so I'm not just talking out of my ass)

The Crosstrek has its place. But the CVT is anemic, there's no power and handling is big and clunky. It's got great clearance in snow and uses 5x100 wheels/tires from Outbacks (pre 113.4 switchover).

I'll tell you that none of the other Subarus drive like a WRX. Even ignoring power, the new (12+) Impreza feels bigger and clunkier for handling. When we bought our Legacy, we were deciding between a new Crosstrek and Impreza. Once we looked at the Legacy limited, we jettisoned those.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:54 AM   #11
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My wife’s daily is a MK7 GTI SE with leather, she came out of a C300 4matic Benz. It’s way more luxurious than my WRX and the DSG is real nice. Still get the point and shoot gap finding ability and rear tire lifting handling. An R is probably perfect but for the price there are other things I’d rather have. She has the Quaife limited slip which helps with the wrong wheel drive part but doesn’t eliminate it entirely. For her driving she doesn’t notice the difference like I do, and with winter tires it goes anywhere.
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I've driven all of the previous gen cars and I'd recommend the Forester. It's engine is zippy enough, imo. It's no wrx, but noticeably quicker than the impreza/crosstrek. It drives like a smaller-sized vehicle and handles surprisingly well for its ride height . Tbh, I think it's the sweet spot model for Subaru.
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I've driven all of the previous gen cars and I'd recommend the Forester. It's engine is zippy enough, imo. It's no wrx, but noticeably quicker than the impreza/crosstrek. It drives like a smaller-sized vehicle and handles surprisingly well for its ride height . Tbh, I think it's the sweet spot model for Subaru.
But if he's super happy with the WRX except for MT in DC traffic, he probably ought to stick with the WRX. Now, if he was needing that hatch space as a requirement and couldn't handle having a trunk instead of a hatch then the Forester really would be a solid suggestion. But with the elimination of the XT trim, there's no comparison especially since he's DC metro area commuting.

WRX w/ CVT is my recommendation from what he's said. And I'm a guy who doesn't mind no power (I miss my BRZ, after all). It's response that or lack thereof in the Impreza & XV that piss me off.
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But if he's super happy with the WRX except for MT in DC traffic, he probably ought to stick with the WRX. Now, if he was needing that hatch space as a requirement and couldn't handle having a trunk instead of a hatch then the Forester really would be a solid suggestion. But with the elimination of the XT trim, there's no comparison especially since he's DC metro area commuting.

WRX w/ CVT is my recommendation from what he's said. And I'm a guy who doesn't mind no power (I miss my BRZ, after all). It's response that or lack thereof in the Impreza & XV that piss me off.
I'd agree with you, but he mentioned price point of the WRX CVT. Since the impreza/crosstrek is a bit underpowered for people used to having more zip, that's where the forester comes in. The hp and tq is noticeable over the impreza/crosstrek and its at a decent price under the wrx with all the tech.

Don't forget he mentioned cheaper gas in the first post too... forester gets the nod there over wrx again. I don't think you can really get that turbo zip without having to pay for it at the pump.
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How about getting a beater for commuting or is there only room for one car? I think OP is going to regret getting rid of the hatch.
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How about getting a beater for commuting or is there only room for one car? I think OP is going to regret getting rid of the hatch.
Nah, no room for me to have 2 different cars unfortunately. Honestly, I've had my fun with it over the years and I think I'm okay with selling it. Looking online, base model 14 hatches are going for like 20-22k based on milage/condition. It's held it's value extremely well since I bought it. I'm just ready to move into something more modern, and maybe take the cash from selling and put it towards something else.
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Nah, no room for me to have 2 different cars unfortunately. Honestly, I've had my fun with it over the years and I think I'm okay with selling it. Looking online, base model 14 hatches are going for like 20-22k based on milage/condition. It's held it's value extremely well since I bought it. I'm just ready to move into something more modern, and maybe take the cash from selling and put it towards something else.
There are still a few leftover new Forester XT's out there.
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I'd agree with you, but he mentioned price point of the WRX CVT. Since the impreza/crosstrek is a bit underpowered for people used to having more zip, that's where the forester comes in. The hp and tq is noticeable over the impreza/crosstrek and its at a decent price under the wrx with all the tech.

Don't forget he mentioned cheaper gas in the first post too... forester gets the nod there over wrx again. I don't think you can really get that turbo zip without having to pay for it at the pump.
Honestly, if you do the math, the gas cost for 87 vs 93 is not that significant compared to other cost factors.

I missed the bit about the price point. However, compare trim level costs between a Legacy limited, outback limited, and wrx limited. There's not much price difference. Just a few thousand difference.
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Honestly, if you do the math, the gas cost for 87 vs 93 is not that significant compared to other cost factors.

I missed the bit about the price point. However, compare trim level costs between a Legacy limited, outback limited, and wrx limited. There's not much price difference. Just a few thousand difference.
I have done the math. I have the Impreza and the STI. When I drive one over the other and fill up I notice the difference of 87 vs. 93. The increased consumption of the STI over the Impreza multiplies that price difference too. Over a year it adds up to a lot. Granted, a WRX is better on gas than the STI, but the Forester has both beat.

And just a few thousand is still a few thousand. Throw in financing cost and it’s even more. In the end, all those seemingly just-a-bit-more costs add up, and the total cost of ownership over a long term isn’t so negligible anymore. I do understand the need for fun, which is why I still have the STI, but the cost differences are definitely real in the long-run. Just my two cents...
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That's because the STI is a gas hog. Going from a WRX to a STI massively increased my gas bill. Going from a Forester to a WRX didn't increase my gas bill and if it did, it was negligible (and this was during the massive gas cost spike in the late 00s).
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Well, despite our disagreement, outright price, consumption stats, 87 vs. 93 costs, insurance costs ... they’re all there for the OP to weigh and do the math for himself.
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Well, despite our disagreement, outright price, consumption stats, 87 vs. 93 costs, insurance costs ... they’re all there for the OP to weigh and do the math for himself.
Indeed. I just hate seeing someone get out of a car he loves and into something that's more purely utilitarian.

But it's his money, his choice.
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Indeed. I just hate seeing someone get out of a car he loves and into something that's more purely utilitarian.

But it's his money, his choice.
And I truly appreciate all of your input! It's given me a lot to consider.
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A few years back I bought my dream car. I'm torn between a crosstrek, impreza, legacy, or forester. I'd love to keep at least SOME of the zip the WRX has, but I know you can't have your cake and eat it too.
All these cars have CVT, which sucks. An older turbo forester with MT or normal AT is a good choice from what I hear
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Hello! As the title says, I'm new here to the forums. Looking to post a few messages here to ask for some opinions and to validate myself so I can use the classifieds because..

A few years back I bought my dream car... a WRX hatch. I picked up a 2014 base model because that was all I could afford at the time, and I wanted to scoop it up as they had just announced they weren't making WRX hatchbacks for '15. I freaking LOVE this car. I kept it 100% stock. Yes that's super basic, but it's everything I've ever wanted in a car and I didn't want to mess it up.

Times change though, and now it's time to get something a little more practical (cheaper gas, better milage, easier commute, and honestly more technology). I'm torn between a crosstrek, impreza, legacy, or forester. I'd love to keep at least SOME of the zip the WRX has, but I know you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Have you guys got any stories about giving up your baby for something a little more modern? Any regrets? I use that car as a daily commuter... I feel like that an injustice; she deserves to be free on the open road.
Subaru won't meet all your criteria. Honda and Toyota does. Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.
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