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Old 01-24-2019, 05:19 PM   #76
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Maybe all of us are missing the point of the S209 looking though all these comment.... I understand that the S209 can not match a lot of cars these days. But this car ( as far as performance on track ) gave a much better number then standard STIs. And I think S209 is the type of (for the eyes of the beholder) car.

In Japan no one really going to modify an S car.......... they only heavy modding mass production models......
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:18 AM   #77
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For sure.. On the flip side - that's the problem with being a bit older and having a BIT more cash. Not enough to drive an M5 without a care.. Enough to NOT want to drive a Camry.. The more I think about it, the more particular I get.. My wife would tell you, it's driving her almost as nuts as me

Edit: and since the LGT just keeps rambling on, I'm in no hurry. I don't want to force the issue only to regret it later. That's why I'm thinking if I get a good deal an on STI and really hate it, I can probably resell in a year or two for nearly the same cash..
It's not bad thinking (get an STI and resell if needed), they have sold more WRX/STI's this generation so there are more used ones out there. Resale is still quite good, but not what it was for previous gen depending on location and supply of used ones.

I don't see why you would not be happy in a 2019 STI. They are fun and functional cars. Golf R is also a good choice in that the backseat is really roomy, it can put up really good performance numbers, and the interior is Audi level. The ride is not nearly as firm/rough as the STI/Focus RS. I just don't feel that the car is as fun as the Focus RS or STI. It's very German precision like without much soul or character. But as a daily driver and good place to be for driver and passengers, yeah it's right up there.
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:50 AM   #78
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I still think that for the same amount of money that you are going to spend on a s209 you could buy a base STI and use aftemarket parts and outrun the s209
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:06 AM   #79
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I still think that for the same amount of money that you are going to spend on a s209 you could buy a base STI and use aftemarket parts and outrun the s209
Stop trying to make this argument; you could buy a 91 Miata for $500, LS swap it, and outrun the S209 for less money too; it's a moot point.

In the USDM:
The S209 is the fastest & most exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The RA is the second fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The STI is the third fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.


The second you modify a car the "production", "warranty" & "Exclusive" go out the window. The people that make the "modify car X and it will be faster than car Y" argument typically can't afford car Y, and sometimes, can't even afford car X.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:38 AM   #80
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Stop trying to make this argument; you could buy a 91 Miata for $500, LS swap it, and outrun the S209 for less money too; it's a moot point.

In the USDM:
The S209 is the fastest & most exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The RA is the second fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The STI is the third fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.


The second you modify a car the "production", "warranty" & "Exclusive" go out the window. The people that make the "modify car X and it will be faster than car Y" argument typically can't afford car Y, and sometimes, can't even afford car X.
Since we're talking special editions... Just curious where the 2015 ESX STI (ignoring the debate about styling) would place on this list. IIRC, it was 350 chp with a warranty? And then the 425 hp track specials?
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:59 AM   #81
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Since we're talking special editions... Just curious where the 2015 ESX STI (ignoring the debate about styling) would place on this list. IIRC, it was 350 chp with a warranty? And then the 425 hp track specials?
Those are dealer modified. They fall in line with the Roush, Saleen etc. special edition mustangs; in that they didn't come that way from the factory, they were dealer/third party modified and don't count, even though few of them were made.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:04 AM   #82
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Those are dealer modified. They fall in line with the Roush, Saleen etc. special edition mustangs; in that they didn't come that way from the factory, they were dealer/third party modified and don't count, even though few of them were made.
But were backed by dealer AND ESX warranty. Depending on which part had failed. The reason why I wouldn't count it is that only a handful of dealers were allowed to sell them. They weren't allocated like a "standard" Subaru.



Now, I am wondering since ESX has had a special model for each body style, will they have one for the next?
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Old 01-25-2019, 03:25 PM   #83
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Stop trying to make this argument; you could buy a 91 Miata for $500, LS swap it, and outrun the S209 for less money too; it's a moot point.

In the USDM:
The S209 is the fastest & most exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The RA is the second fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.
The STI is the third fastest & exclusive production Subaru with a warranty.


The second you modify a car the "production", "warranty" & "Exclusive" go out the window. The people that make the "modify car X and it will be faster than car Y" argument typically can't afford car Y, and sometimes, can't even afford car X.
Thank for this. So many people missed the point of the S209 and the Type RA completely.
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But were backed by dealer AND ESX warranty. Depending on which part had failed. The reason why I wouldn't count it is that only a handful of dealers were allowed to sell them. They weren't allocated like a "standard" Subaru.



Now, I am wondering since ESX has had a special model for each body style, will they have one for the next?
ESX warranty.


You can't just take it to any dealer and expect things to go smooth. It's basically a 3rd party extended service contract.
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ESX warranty.


You can't just take it to any dealer and expect things to go smooth. It's basically a 3rd party extended service contract.
Never said anything about smooth.......



.......but, if it were a window switch that went out, any dealer would cover the warranty. It just depended on the part that failed.....
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Old 01-25-2019, 06:24 PM   #86
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Never said anything about smooth.......



.......but, if it were a window switch that went out, any dealer would cover the warranty. It just depended on the part that failed.....
That's no different than any other vehicle with similar mods.
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That's no different than any other vehicle with similar mods.
He was just saying they don't count, though they do have warranties. From Subaru.....

I am on the fence as to them counting or not.
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They don't.


It's a tuner special, along the lines of a Roush Mustang, not like a Shelby (since FoMoCo acquired the naming)
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