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Old 02-12-2019, 06:22 PM   #26
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Read above...and unless you can read minds and picked up on some emotion I'm not consciously aware of, I wasn't complaining, so stop complaining....

And I'm sure Killer B couldn't give less of a crap about Canadians. I think our entire population equals to that of like California??? I never did check that but it's something I heard once. Moving on.
This isn't an isolated incident, You've complained about the price of multiple products and for some reason you always have a bit about having to pay exchange, shipping, taxes and duty. That has zero to do with the company and their pricing, so why bring it up? No one has any sympathy for you, me least of all, I have to pay those very same fee's.

If you don't like having to pay duty, send a letter to your local MP, or buy off a Canadian reseller such a Touge Tuning. They get the companies best rate's which helps offset the import fees. I've been at this game a long time, you need to just accept that this is reality of bringing parts over the boarder.


P.S. California has more people than Canada.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:55 PM   #27
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P.S. California has more people than Canada.
There ya go. Pretty much just backed up my point that the US has a greater population so a company isn't going to adjust their prices based on the slim amount of car enthusiasts in Canada.

Well, I don't really recall complaining about it, to be honest. I explained myself after someone mention about the price and that's it. You made a big deal about people complaining about price. So this argument...it's on you. I originally mentioned the cost in passing and I immediately followed up with a comment about me being cheap....soooooo, you're getting all pissy here for what exactly?

In addition, I never said it was the companies fault...and it's still expensive. I hate Canada. Always have. Always will. Cost of living is bloody expensive up here with total taxes reaching upwards of 40% and you think a letter is going to do what exactly? I don't really care what you think, sir, but thanks for your complaint.

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Old 02-12-2019, 09:09 PM   #28
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There ya go. Pretty much just backed up my point that the US has a greater population so a company isn't going to adjust their prices based on the slim amount of car enthusiasts in Canada.

Well, I don't really recall complaining about it, to be honest. I explained myself after someone mention about the price and that's it. You made a big deal about people complaining about price. So this argument...it's on you. I originally mentioned the cost in passing and I immediately followed up with a comment about me being cheap....soooooo, you're getting all pissy here for what exactly?

In addition, I never said it was the companies fault...and it's still expensive. I hate Canada. Always have. Always will. Cost of living is bloody expensive up here with total taxes reaching upwards of 40% and you think a letter is going to do what exactly? I don't really care what you think, sir, but thanks for your complaint.

Proved your point?
How old are you?

And if you hate Canada, I will be happy to drive you to the boarder and send you on your way. Guess you'll have the benifit of cheap car parts.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:12 PM   #29
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Hmm, I always have trouble with topic, because the answer is actually very simple.

Call me simple, or a troll, whatever.

The crankshaft journal bearings are exactly the same width in the ej25 as they are in the ej20.

Yes, both platforms can be built to make roughly the same power.

But where that power happens in the RPM range makes all the difference.

The ej25 has ~460cc more displacement, and that can produce about 25% more torque at a much lower RPM.

So while the pressure on the oil between the bearing surface and the crankshaft journal is within design limits in the ej20 and even the ej22. The pressure in the ej25 is already at the upper end of that spec, combine that with the increased tendency towards knock, and you can easily see why the ej25 has a higher rate of bearing failures - especially under boost.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:24 PM   #30
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Proved your point?

How old are you?



And if you hate Canada, I will be happy to drive you to the boarder and send you on your way. Guess you'll have the benifit of cheap car parts.
LOL, nailed it... Benefit of cheap....everything, actually.

Would it be too much to ask to drive me to Texas? It's in your best interest really, since you're offering to pay the way down and eager to get rid of me. They'll just send me back otherwise and your efforts to see me out will all be for nothing.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:25 AM   #31
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Hmm, I always have trouble with topic, because the answer is actually very simple.

Call me simple, or a troll, whatever.

The crankshaft journal bearings are exactly the same width in the ej25 as they are in the ej20.

Yes, both platforms can be built to make roughly the same power.

But where that power happens in the RPM range makes all the difference.

The ej25 has ~460cc more displacement, and that can produce about 25% more torque at a much lower RPM.

So while the pressure on the oil between the bearing surface and the crankshaft journal is within design limits in the ej20 and even the ej22. The pressure in the ej25 is already at the upper end of that spec, combine that with the increased tendency towards knock, and you can easily see why the ej25 has a higher rate of bearing failures - especially under boost.


Hmmm...thats a interesting theory.

Are the stock bearing clearance's the same for the EJ20 and EJ25? Being the same crankshaft diameters I am assuming they use the same clearance's. Perhaps thats why the stock Ej20 has less bearing failures.

I have just built a stock motor with larger bearing clearance's then standard. Will be putting on a oil pressure gauge and seeing how it pressurises when warm and at different RPM's.

This will at least give me a window on how much of a difference the clearance's make and I will experiment with different oil weights too.

What oil is specified for the EJ20 motors? I am guessing its not a 5w-30 as the EJ25 asks for - I run a 5w-40 in my EJ257
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:51 AM   #32
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What oil is specified for the EJ20 motors? I am guessing its not a 5w-30 as the EJ25 asks for - I run a 5w-40 in my EJ257
Anything pre-MY2011 in N. America recommended 5W-30 for fuel economy but allowed up to 50 grade oil in high temps or severe conditions. Later EJ20ís have the same oil requirements as the EJ25.

Even today, oil specs are different in different countries because of fuel economy requirements. Subaru Japan recommends 5W40 in the FA20 DIT in severe conditions and even allows it in the BRZ.

So just because a certain grade is specified here doesnít mean itís the ideal grade for the application, IMO, since SoA has to worry about CAFE.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:58 AM   #33
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The FSM, I believe, has bearing clearance information. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference is between WRX and STi in both 20 and 25 flavor. If there is, would one be more prone to chucking a bearing?
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:54 PM   #34
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Fyi... Moroso makes an oil pickup for $90. It's a quality part and overall a great alternative to KillerB
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:47 PM   #35
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As far as I know bearing clearance specs are the same on every ej.

I think the main challenge when it comes to clearances is having them actually be the desired value in an assembled and running engine. Like, think about what happens to your main bearing clearances and then flow to the rod bearings if the bores are not perfectly concentric.

And I have seen enough cracked oil pickups to not want to assemble an engine without an aftermarket one in there.


E- looked in a few manuals. The 25d with 48mm rod journals does have slightly closer bearing clearance specs across the board, and a slightly different range for main bearings 1+5 compared to everything else.

Everything else is the same though with a few very slight variances for the max allowable clearance on mains.

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Old 02-13-2019, 10:02 PM   #36
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Fyi... Moroso makes an oil pickup for $90. It's a quality part and overall a great alternative to KillerB
Hmmm...learned something new...thanks for that.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:42 PM   #37
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Same reason all cars spin bearings 🤷*♂️
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:53 PM   #38
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1. as long as you have oil
2. Oil does not overheat over a 130c
3. you have oil pressure from idle all the way to redline.
It should never blow I seen many cars that come in dry because they don't check the oil.
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Old 02-15-2019, 03:28 AM   #39
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The reason I see them spun is a heavy right foot and a lazy left hand that can't pop a hood to check the oil
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:06 AM   #40
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For every EJ that spins a bearing, 10 turbo Hyundai's will do the same. Nobody complains about those because the owners are almost never car people and don't post to forums. There is nothing particularly abnormal about EJ's and spun bearings. Its a common problem for many engines from Ford, Chrysler, Hyundai, Mitsubishi and GM.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:33 PM   #41
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...let your cars warm up properly. I've seen the way some Subbie drivers get in their cars and take off like they stole it without properly warming up the car. Not the only reason, but should help.
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:18 PM   #42
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to piggy back off this, I just bought my wife a 2011 WRX. I didn't know these cars did not come with a factory oil cooler/warmer. we live in a colder weather state, so my plan is to add this to the car when I need to do the timing belt.

I told her to let it warm up a bit longer for now.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:22 PM   #43
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to piggy back off this, I just bought my wife a 2011 WRX. I didn't know these cars did not come with a factory oil cooler/warmer. we live in a colder weather state, so my plan is to add this to the car when I need to do the timing belt.

I told her to let it warm up a bit longer for now.
There is an oil warmer on 2011 WRX, right where you screw in the filter (uses coolant to get the oil up to temp faster).

Or, did you mean an electronic pre-heater? There's an option for that available from Subaru.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:43 PM   #44
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I took every preventive measure on my subaru engine build Killer B oil pickup(as stated before the oem ones crack) and Baffle, Cobb Air Oil seperator. Need to get an oil pressure gauge still but as stated check your damn oil regularly my engine is completely rebuilt literally has probably like 3,000 miles on it and I can smell the oil coming out of the catless exhaust (not smoking or anything just the odor of it) these things just inherently burn oil.
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There is an oil warmer on 2011 WRX, right where you screw in the filter (uses coolant to get the oil up to temp faster).

Or, did you mean an electronic pre-heater? There's an option for that available from Subaru.
you sure? I was told they don't come with one and looking on Subaru parts I dont see it listed.

I am going to get under it this weekend to do an oil change to verify.
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you sure? I was told they don't come with one and looking on Subaru parts I dont see it listed.



I am going to get under it this weekend to do an oil change to verify.


Right where you screw the oil filter in there are two hoses that go in that's the oil cooler
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:55 PM   #47
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you sure? I was told they don't come with one and looking on Subaru parts I dont see it listed.



I am going to get under it this weekend to do an oil change to verify.


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No i know that. I have one on my STi

I'm saying my wifes 2011 WRX doesn't have one.
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:00 PM   #49
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I have not heard of a "oil warmer", but I know the STI's for sure have an oil cooler.

There is an engine block heater that Subaru offers:
http://www.subispeed.com/2015-subaru...x#.XHRIbOhKiUk

However, I don't think that rectifies letting the engine oil "warm up." When most people talk about engine warm-up, they mean let the engine top-end circulate oil properly. The point is to get any moving component fully lubed before driving it hard. Mercedes and BMW have been putting "warm-up" indicators on their sports cars for years...caveat being you cannot go WOT until the light goes from red to green.
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No i know that. I have one on my STi

I'm saying my wifes 2011 WRX doesn't have one.


Correct the 2008+ wrx does not have a factory oil cooler
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