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Old 03-12-2019, 06:43 PM   #26
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Ok. Big, burly and tough I would never associate with being effeminate. But it's ok if you do. My point being is that what does it matter if a person wants a vehicle to be masculine.........or feminine?
Wat?


Arguing against things you made up, again?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:13 PM   #27
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I'm assuming the Palisade will cost a few grand more so I'm interested in what will be different.
I guess you won't find out... Telluride.

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:35 AM   #28
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Wat?


Arguing against things you made up, again?
I have zero idea wtf youre talking about. Every thing I said is an opinion based off of one svelte dancer that felt someone's desire to have a "masculine" vehicle is wrong in some way.

The response to you was opinion based, there is nothing to make up. You realize we don't have to agree to have a civil convo, right? I think I pretty much demonstrated that in the post you quoted.

But you be you
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:28 PM   #29
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What in the **** are you even on about?

We're done, back to ignore with you.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:07 PM   #30
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What in the **** are you even on about?

We're done, back to ignore with you.
Not to squeeze in here too much but I’ve read and reread what he has said in this thread and I’m not sure where you’re getting so bothered. I think a great example of what’s being stated is what Honda has done with the Ridgeline and Pilot. Some people have taken issue with the more sleek styling and don’t care for it compared with the boxiness of the previous gen. Call it less masculine if you will, but that’s the sense of what Honda did to them. Many people have made this claim. Including the media. Or perhaps I completely missed the point.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:14 PM   #31
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I have no clue what he's even on about.

I pointed out it can still be big burly etc.... while not being masculine with a few small tweaks.

He went on his usual personal attacks and arguing against points never made.


I'm equally as confused, but it's not his first time on my ignore list, but it is the last time he gets removed from it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:23 PM   #32
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Ah. Yeah I think he was just generally responding to the masculine feminine preference statements more than anything else and saying whatever someone likes and how they like it is cool either way. Anyone can assign their own feelings of what constitutes masculine and feminine etc. when applying it to the same vehicle.
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Old 03-13-2019, 04:07 PM   #33
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Just read through the posts and I don’t see where he went on personal attacks. You two are just having some rather ridiculous discussion on “masculinity” of a truck and I think you might be taking him out of context.
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I have no clue what he's even on about.

I pointed out it can still be big burly etc.... while not being masculine with a few small tweaks.

He went on his usual personal attacks and arguing against points never made.


I'm equally as confused, but it's not his first time on my ignore list, but it is the last time he gets removed from it.
I'm not even sure why I'm on your ignore list.....I rarely converse with you.

Ive never personally attacked you.....or anyone for that matter. I think you have me confused with someone else. You should re-read what I typed from the get-go

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Ah. Yeah I think he was just generally responding to the masculine feminine preference statements more than anything else and saying whatever someone likes and how they like it is cool either way. Anyone can assign their own feelings of what constitutes masculine and feminine etc. when applying it to the same vehicle.

See Honda this man gets it. That's all I was saying.
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This thread could use some Doug DeMuro:


...or maybe not.
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My MIL just got an EX trim so I'll have to try it out this weekend.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:30 PM   #37
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I don’t think the interior looks to bad. Guess price point determines that. Saw first commercial last night. That’s no bull lol..Compares it to a bull,Showing it rough and tough in the mud then they state how it has locking diff with torque vectoring. Let’s see..here it is..

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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
^^^ Good to know. I was thinking that was some pretty impressive hardware for the vehicle if true. It seems once again the Marketeers are taking liberties with technical jargon.
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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
Thanks for the clarification, disappointing that the unit is not as capable as advertised. Although TBO it won't make much of a difference for 95% of buyers (myself included).

Where I do see an issue is KIA has intentions to offer some aftermarket off-road bits (as seen in some of the concepts) and the AWD system could be a weak point then.
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Thanks for the clarification, disappointing that the unit is not as capable as advertised. Although TBO it won't make much of a difference for 95% of buyers (myself included).

Where I do see an issue is KIA has intentions to offer some aftermarket off-road bits (as seen in some of the concepts) and the AWD system could be a weak point then.
Not to defend a competitor, but I suspect this vehicle is still more capable than anyone wants to give credit for. Advancements in both brake control and active AWD control software let us do a lot of things now that weren't thought of and possible even 5 years ago.

I don't know if it just has "lock mode" or if there's also a separate "off-road" mode, but that doesn't change the potential for doing something different at the push of a button. Having multiple options makes it easier to vary the response. In any case, that push of a button can tell the AWD system completely change the profile for when and how much torque is transferred to the rear axle. Without a ratio offset you'll never have more than 50%, but changes to the base torque / pre-load on the coupling will impact how quickly the system reacts. Assuming the driver pushed the button because they are on a low mu surface the first big change is telling the coupling to carry more torque at higher steering angles which would normally causing binding on dry pavement.

In parallel the brake controls may allow more dive in the wheel speeds under braking prior to activating ABS, so you can build up that little pile of gravel under braking on a dirt road. They can also change thresholds for TCS, allowing less side-to-side speed difference across the axles and doing more with brake-based limited slip differential functions. They can disable engine-based reductions with ESC and TCS or allow a bit more engine output when they do intervene.

Look up videos of people rock crawling with a Jeep Renegade Trailhawk and then realize it has open differentials and fancy AWD / brake controls.

This is a pretty good one. You can see wheels off the ground and very little slip / spin before the brakes clamp down on the airborne wheel and generate torque transfer to the wheel still on the ground.

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Not to defend a competitor, but I suspect this
I would just like to say thanks for sharing your insider/technical expertise on these various systems in multiple threads over the years, much appreciated
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This isn't the best reviewer but is a good look at the Moss Green and Silver colors. The silver has some blue in it. I was hoping for a medium or dark blue but it looks like the Palisade will get that. The burgundy is also not available on the SX which is disappointing.

I can't find and pictures of the Black Copper. I'm assuming is a warm/brown charcoal.


I drove the EX over the weekend and when comparing everything else out there there isn't much else I'm interested in. I like the CX-9 but it's smaller (cargo and passenger volume) and the LCD and tech interface is small/slow. The Atlas is a pretty close match and with $10k off MSRP is compelling. It is just is a little under powered and a bit blandly designed. The new Explorer is too expensive and I don't care for the design and the Pilot/Highlander are not even close for me.

Hopefully the Palisade comes out soon so I can compare.
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