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Old 03-27-2019, 08:44 PM   #176
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No, I'm not recommending anything. I was asked what was affordable fun to me, so I replied. I'm not a sedan guy either, but I own 2 (STI & WRX) since Subaru did a great job on the VA, made an exception.

You're right, cheap is relative. Not directly at the Mazda in question, but spending $20-25K on a halfarsed car is expensive to me. If getting just a day to day beater, I'd spend less or spend more and get something that has more practicality or fun to drive.. if that makes any sense.
Mazda has historically offered big incentives on 3's. A base 19 3 will be under $20K in no time. A fairly loaded FWD 19 Touring level trim will be likely under $20k soon. How is it half arsed? It has a nicer interior than cars that cost $10-20K more and distinctive styling. I think Mazda interior and exteriors are way superior to any Subaru. It (interior) easily embarrasses a 19 STI that costs almost twice the price.

Personally I think the VA exterior looks worse than the GR WRX/STI. It is not aging well, and no hatch on the VA sucks.

I've said it since I bought my 15 WRX and the longer I owned the 15 the more I grew to dislike the exterrior styling. Some angles the VA looks okay and others it doesn't.
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Interior looks okay except the info-taiment screen's parallelogram shape, wish they made it symmetrical in shape.
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Old 03-27-2019, 11:30 PM   #178
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Right, which is why I'd say a system like mazda's is ideal for a normal commuter. It doesn't kick in until you really need it (it detects actual slip). It is a better insurance policy than subaru's because it will still get you out of normal hairy situations that arise from driving in snowy weather, but without the drivetrain losses normally associated with it in those times you don't need it.

I'm not saying it can handle as much weather as subaru's sytem can, but if conditions are bad enough to warrant that, I'm already not going out. FWIW, I've driven to the store and back in my wife's 2013 mazda 3 with snow tires in 6" of fresh powder with no issue. My AWD turbo machine on all-seasons has more trouble (fun?) most times.

Also, I just realized this isn't the mazda AWD thread I thought I was in. I wandered into the normal mazda 3 discussion sorry to bring in distraction.

I'd be all for a hatch or sedan speed 3 with a more aggressive version of their new awd system.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:28 AM   #179
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All-seasons suck all the time. Not even worth comparing even if AWD v FWD.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:45 AM   #180
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I really want to get into Mazdas as their styling and driving dynamics have always been appealing to me. I'd either take an AWD hatch with a manual and Skyactiv X motor, or something automatic that incorporates a system that rivals Subaru's EyeSight technology.

I'd prefer if Subaru and Mazda teamed up on something somewhat small and insignificant, like a sporty coupe with a lift back or something. Or maybe a very small, sporty 5-door or 3-door.

The Sky(activ)'s the limit!
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:59 AM   #181
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All-seasons suck all the time. Not even worth comparing even if AWD v FWD.


Except right now where I see freezing temps in the morning leaving for work and 60F in the evening when returning home. I also dont see the point to put summer tires on 99% of the cars out there. For the regular driver, all seasons are the best choice for 9 months of the year.

My ideal setup would be SUV with winter tires (winter) and all terrains (spring, summer, fall). Then Id put summer tires on my sports car for May - Oct and all seasons the rest of the year. That was effectively my setup when I still had my FR-S.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:39 AM   #182
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My wife wants one of these. Her Mazda3 hatch sold her on fun to drive and hatchback, while the Outback has sold her on AWD. Id wager we will have one of these within 18 months.
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Except right now where I see freezing temps in the morning leaving for work and 60F in the evening when returning home. I also don’t see the point to put summer tires on 99% of the cars out there. For the regular driver, all seasons are the best choice for 9 months of the year.

My ideal setup would be SUV with winter tires (winter) and all terrains (spring, summer, fall). Then I’d put summer tires on my sports car for May - Oct and all seasons the rest of the year. That was effectively my setup when I still had my FR-S.
I live in New England - I've got my sport maxx RTs on the car; I'm seeing freezing temps in the morning as well, 27F at 5:30am, it's like 42 right now (11:30am), expected high today is 52. I run studded general altimax arctics in the winter. Although the RT's are a bit slippy in the morning, they warm up quickly, and are a better option right now than the arctics which are very squishy this time of year.

I used to run Continetal extreme contacts dws06's for 3/4's of the year (with a general arctic in the winter), and honestly, the RT's are better even this time of year than the conti's were. Sure the conti's were better initially (sub-freezing cold start), but once the RT's warm up, I'm talking like 5ish mins of driving, the RT's are better.

The only reason I think All-Seasons are a better choice for the general public is because most won't change tires over before winter hits, heck, I see more cars than I'm comfortable with running bald, mismatched all-seasons in the winter.

My wife's car gets a similar setup to mine, snows in the winter, and currently the OE tires for the rest of the year (AS) once those wear out, I'll wrap something better on them, either a performance AS or a summer, she's not an aggressive driver, so I'll focus more on wet traction and stopping distance than cornering grip. But it becomes more of an economy thing - a 480+ tread wear high performance AS vs. a 240 tread wear summer is an easy argument to make in favor of the AS on an economy car that never see's aggressive driving vs. a sporty wagon that gets thrown around twisty back roads regularly.
Were I in a vehicle that is less of a compromise vehicle, say a miata, brz, mustang etc. there would be no argument, summer tires or what's the point?

I used to run a BFG Rugged trail T/A year round on my SUV & trucks back in the day, but I didn't drive them nearly as aggressively as I do my Subaru in any season; tires were "good enough" I know snow tires would have been an improvement, but driving style dictated my tire purchasing; those vehicles were from a by-gone era though, very different in design and application than the stuff rolling around today, think 80's-90's f-series.

Since you brought up "idea setups" for me it'd probably be the wrx wagon with snow tires or a 4dr truck with something that carries the mountain and snowflake for the winter, then I'd park it and drive a fun 2+2 sports car/muscle car with super-sticky 200 or less tread wear tires for the warmer months, doubt that will happen any time soon though, so I'll stick with what I got.
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I forget that I've lived mostly in Alaska my entire life. And I drive performance cars. You're right. My mom has had the most expensive Michelin all-seasons for a few years now on her GMC Envoy and it handles relatively well on ice and snow. I had no problems during my first winter with the Impreza's stock tires. This past winter I got lightly used X-Ice 3 studless and they've been awesome. Driven like a normal human being, all-seasons are more than adequate, especially for AWD.

Back in New York and Jersey I could totally see them being fine. I got snow tires when I lived there with my BRZ and really only needed them for 3 months max. When the snow hits, though, it hits kinda hard over there. Not so much in Alaska. It's just more frequent.
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Old 03-29-2019, 06:56 AM   #185
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That's like saying you don't need snow tires in the winter except for the 10% of the time when you do. Snow tires are an insurance policy that work better than all seasons in the inclement weather. AWD is the same insurance policy. Doubly so with snow tires. Do you need it all the time, nope. Not at all. But it's great to have when it's called upon.

I want that buffer to keep me out of harms way, out of others ways, in such weather where it's useful. (Rain plays into this also).

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Back in the 60/70s in North East PA it snowed more and secondary roads would stay snow covered January February. Snow tires where smart choice compared to All seasons. Better traction, stopping, turning equals safe. But now we get couple storms that usually turn to rain at the end. Once plow comes through pavement is back. So for 99.9 percent the best choice is Really Good All Seasons. Why? Because when tested on regular pavement they handle better, stop better, less noise with better fuel mpg. So they are by far safer. Now if you have to travel 4 in the morning everyday No matter what the weather is Yeah I would have My Hakka palita Blizzacks On. But most people go in late, leave close by work retired dont go out in the snow. So I was using Continental True Contacts on the Audi and others. There great, they great in the snow too. My two cents.
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I think this calls for another Mazda RevItUp tour/competition to "introduce" the new model.

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Old 03-29-2019, 11:19 AM   #187
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I have snow tires on my Miata and it's a blast. The day I installed them we got about 4" of snow and I grabbed my 13 year old son and we found an empty parking lot and had some fun.

My wifes 18 Odyssey also has dedicated snow tires and you can just about go anywhere in that vehicle.

I am such a fan of dedicated snow tires for where I live. I can see why countries like Germany make dedicated snow tires mandatory. I think some US states should pass this type of law.
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Even I'm considering a Mazda 3 hatch. I just got a CEL on the Impreza and EyeSight has been disabled. Car barely has 33k on it. The dealership can't see me until April 22nd. Annoyed.
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:44 PM   #189
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Even I'm considering a Mazda 3 hatch. I just got a CEL on the Impreza and EyeSight has been disabled. Car barely has 33k on it. The dealership can't see me until April 22nd. Annoyed.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ck-youll-drive

Mazda sounds more appealing each day.
Go sit in one of the new ones whenever they land in your area - the interior quality is pretty crazy for a car of its class. The revised infotainment is also very snappy and smooth now, unlike the prior system.
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I forget that I've lived mostly in Alaska my entire life. And I drive performance cars. You're right. My mom has had the most expensive Michelin all-seasons for a few years now on her GMC Envoy and it handles relatively well on ice and snow. I had no problems during my first winter with the Impreza's stock tires. This past winter I got lightly used X-Ice 3 studless and they've been awesome. Driven like a normal human being, all-seasons are more than adequate, especially for AWD.
This has been a common theme on here for many many years. It's regional on your winter tire choice. Our winters are extremely variable here. We'll get down to the teens for a few days, back to 40's the next week, could go up to the high 60's, even 70's for a week, then back to the 30's or 20's. It changes a lot in the winter, expect any temps. The one constant is rain. We haven't had snow or ice in 3 winters now. This is why the best winter tire in my geo is a good high performance all season that has one part of the tread built for snow, just in case we actually get snow for a few days. Never seen snow or ice last a full week here. So you need a very variable tire that's made to deal with a whole host of different weather changes. A few hundred miles north would not be the same tire choice. On here it's "You need to have dedicated winter/snow tires. It makes me laugh
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Oh dang, yeah, especially if you get lots of rain then that would totally change my strategy. Rain is probably more precarious than ice to me. Ice doesn't also impair your vision.

I'm convinced my Impreza wouldn't have understeered, slid nearly as far and hit the car that illegally crossed lanes if I'd had summer tires better suited for the persistent rain. Instead I was on the stock all-seasons.

I'm just gonna throw some decent Costco all-seasons on the Crosstrek. For the Impreza I'll probably snag some summer tires during my cross-country road trip next month. It's gonna be mostly warm, even through Canada.

Just gotta stick to what works for you!
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This has been a common theme on here for many many years. It's regional on your winter tire choice. Our winters are extremely variable here. We'll get down to the teens for a few days, back to 40's the next week, could go up to the high 60's, even 70's for a week, then back to the 30's or 20's. It changes a lot in the winter, expect any temps. The one constant is rain. We haven't had snow or ice in 3 winters now. This is why the best winter tire in my geo is a good high performance all season that has one part of the tread built for snow, just in case we actually get snow for a few days. Never seen snow or ice last a full week here. So you need a very variable tire that's made to deal with a whole host of different weather changes. A few hundred miles north would not be the same tire choice. On here it's "You need to have dedicated winter/snow tires. It makes me laugh
Because for most people that really is the answer. But to your point the rules don't always apply. I have lived all over the country and in every state but Florida, Arizona, and Texas winter and summer tire combo is the answer.

I have watch friends sell some really nice cars because they think they need AWD in the winter and the truth is they could have saved a pile of money by keeping their current vehicle and just switching to dedicated winter tires.
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I just wanna chime in and clear up some of the information on Mazda's AWD systems.

It is predictive rather than reactive.

There are a ton of sensors in these cars that monitor things like road conditions, wheel speed variations, accelerator pedal position, steering angle, brake fluid pressure, whether your wiper blades are on or not, inside vs. outside temperature and a couple of other things I'm forgetting.

The car uses the info from the sensors to predict whether or not the car should be in AWD. Before you need it, not after.
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I just wanna chime in and clear up some of the information on Mazda's AWD systems.

It is predictive rather than reactive.

There are a ton of sensors in these cars that monitor things like road conditions, wheel speed variations, accelerator pedal position, steering angle, brake fluid pressure, whether your wiper blades are on or not, inside vs. outside temperature and a couple of other things I'm forgetting.

The car uses the info from the sensors to predict whether or not the car should be in AWD. Before you need it, not after.
if its above freezing and not currently raining, its reactive. what sensor tells it that it rained 2 min ago?
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As always, great review from Geese, extremely detailed:

Mr. Geese liked it so much he says he will probably be buying one
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For me, my WRX is great. It's cheap, fun to mod, and fun to drive. If FWD is acceptable, I would get a MT GTI..
Agreed. I want to like this car but from an enthusiast perspective...meh, Ill take a GTI or Si over this any day.
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This car is great, but its competition is niether of those cars, its the impreza and golf.
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This car is great, but its competition is niether of those cars, its the impreza and golf.
Exactly. An AWD Mazda3, especially, makes a great alternative to Impreza.
Subaru left a huge gap between its 152-hp Impreza and its 268-hp WRX; AWD Mazda3 fits right in.
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If Mazda 3 AWD hatch comes with a performance engine before Subaru does, I'll probably switch, regardless of transmission.
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My wife wants Mazda-mx-5 and she finally leased this car on dsrleasing but the interior design is not too good except info-taiment screen's parallelogram shape
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