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Old 04-01-2019, 10:57 AM   #226
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Very odd that Renault lost both cars in the same corner on the same lap. Hulk obviously blew an engine. Not sure what happened to Ricciardo as his just seems to have stopped making noise without the plume of smoke. If they have the same failure it was likely the same component from the same production batch with the same fault in them.
Renault claims both were a "known" electrical defect they've seen previously in testing but haven't been able to fix. It's possible that Hulk's wasn't the engine blowing, but just seeing the result of a motor that had its ECU suddenly shut off at full tilt. Plenty of reasons to throw a big bang and black smoke out the back from that.

I wonder if it was actually the result of the yellow flag indicator in their computer systems which tripped some sort of fault and shut both of their computers off?
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:24 AM   #227
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Ferrari self destructs. Leclerc lost a cylinder. Vettel spins
This suckes for Leclerc, drops back to 3rd. Fought his way back.
Bottas being Bottas
Renault. Both cars at quit the same time.
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I thought Ferrari reported to Leclerc that the MGU-H failed. He wasn't down a cylinder. He was down the 160hp hybrid system.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...n/4362698/amp/
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:25 AM   #228
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I think the yellow flag indicator on avocado's car was from Hulk's off.
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:45 PM   #229
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I´m pretty sure that both Leclerc and Hülkenberg will get their second (and final) engine in China...
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:21 PM   #230
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I hope Leclerc will not have a single engine issue and he will dominate at China.
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:09 PM   #231
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I think the yellow flag indicator on avocado's car was from Hulk's off.
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I hope Leclerc will not have a single engine issue and he will dominate at China.
He's shown the pace, only time will tell.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:39 PM   #232
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I´m pretty sure that both Leclerc and Hülkenberg will get their second (and final) engine in China...
final? they are still allowed 3 engines this year.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:50 PM   #233
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I hope Leclerc will not have a single engine issue and he will dominate at China.
I want to see this happen as well
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:45 AM   #234
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+1, and Vettel's head exploding would be an additional bonus.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:17 AM   #235
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+1, and Vettel's head exploding would be an additional bonus.
Hamilton's head might explode as well. Thoroughly dominated by his teammate in Australia. Looking to have been dominated by both Ferrari's in Bahrain. I think the post-checkered in-car feed showed Hamilton wiping tears from his eyes. He was looking to be down a lot of points very early and seemed very relieved that the race came to him. If Leclerc goes storming back to the front of the grid in the very next race it shows his skill and pace are real and he's an unexpected threat to Hamilton's dominance.
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:52 AM   #236
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final? they are still allowed 3 engines this year.
you are correct

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Maximum 3 engines (ICE), 3 motor generator units-heat (MGU-H), 3 turbochargers (TC), 2 energy stores (ES), 2 control electronics (CE) and 2 motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) per car. Grid penalties apply for each new component introduced beyond this seasonal allocation;
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:09 PM   #237
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The original regs way back when originally called for 2 engines this year but yes, it's 3.

Failed fuel injector was Leclerc's problem, so he was running a cylinder down. Probably not the best for commentators to speculate and set the narrative mid-race saying he's lost battery. Normally Martin picks up on a car sounding sick quite quickly. It's weird Leclerc ran on 5 cylinders for so long and no one could tell.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/fe...clerc/4363588/

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The indicted pieces have already been examined in Maranello. It appears that the 6-cylinder turbo has not been damaged and can be used in the Chinese GP. At Maranello they wonder what has sent into crisis the Marelli injector that has never given the slightest problem of reliability.

The details that caused the problem that forced Charles Leclerc to reduce his pace in the final part of the GP of Bahrain, while he was building the first historic victory over the Red, have already been examined by the motorists of Maranello.

Mattia Binotto, Ferrari's team principal, had already said so after the bitter disappointment on Sunday that the technical problem was not derived from the hybrid system of the 064 power unit, but from a single cylinder combustion problem. To be precise the fourth of the 6-cylinder turbo.

At Giro 46 of the 57 scheduled at Sakhir an injector suddenly stopped carrying fuel into the cylinder with the planned multi-injections and Charles' engine lost well over a sixth of the power of the endothermic engine, we speak of something that far exceeds 120 horsepower.

Because in addition to not helping to generate power, the cylinder "off" caused additional friction in the absence of gasoline and well it went that in recent rounds has not suffered damage, so that it can be used in free practice of the GP of China.

To all this we must add the reduced electric recharging of the ERS system: with a lower thrust of the turbine it was inevitable that even the recharging of the MGU-H was inadequate compared to the previous laps, when the Monegasque was already travelling with a "safe" engine mapping of absolute peace of mind, while in the early stages of the race, when Charles had to recover from the error in power, he almost exploited the full functionality of the power unit.

The total loss of power, therefore, was much higher than the 120 bhp we talked about and Leclerc was very good at receiving the indications given to him by the pit wall via radio, acting with precision on the mantles of the steering wheel-computer.

Initially the fuel capacity was increased to the five working cylinders: on the one hand they wanted to preserve the engine so that the problem could not be extended to another cylinder: in this condition Charles was able to keep up with the 1'39" that would have, perhaps, allowed him to fight for second place.

It's a pity that the fuel consumption went out of parameters and with that pace the SF90 would have been left dry before the finish line, so it was decided, rightly, to move to a much more conservative mapping.

The question that the Maranello motorists are asking themselves is why the Magneti Marelli injector went into crisis, a detail that has never given the slightest problem to the Ferrari engines.

The Scuderia has long been using TJI type injectors with "double anchor" that also incorporate the spark plug in the pre-chamber. This is a complex project, but it has always been perfectly reliable. So what could have happened? Perhaps Shell gasoline is used that is particularly "pushed" with molecules that can give more chemical power, but that perhaps put a harder test on some components.

All in all, apart from Leclerc's bitter disappointment, which saw his first victory in F1 fade away at the second GP with Rossa, Ferrari can look to the future with a certain optimism: despite the serious technical problems, the Monegasque boy has brought home a podium that will be invaluable in the economy of the Championship.

And if no other surprises emerge, even Charles' 6-cylinder engine should have been saved, so once the injector that went down has been replaced, everything should return to normal, preventing the third GP from already switching to unit 2.

Toto Wolff bets on the fact that Ferrari will reduce its power in China to find reliability, while Mattia Binotto has ruled out this possibility. And it will be another challenge on the track...
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I can´t believe that a F1 engine can survive running on five cylinders. I predict a failure in the next race.
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He might not use that engine again until later in the season. They'll probably want to inspect it as much as possible at the factory.
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Old 04-02-2019, 02:59 PM   #240
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Damn that is crazy long on 5cyl only. I'm sure that block will be inspected to the fullest.
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Reminds me of Vettel in Suzuka in 2017. Spark plug failure leading to that cylinder being dead.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:10 PM   #242
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They've lost spark, they've lost fuel, they better have some good filters in their airbox!
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:35 AM   #243
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The apparent results don't surprise me.

What does, is, how much engine/ strait line speed advantage Ferrari have that they cannot use.

Maybe they really have lost control of the control tires. Bad diffs, maybe?
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just a degree or two more at the front and rear wing..
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Old 04-13-2019, 12:44 PM   #245
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The grid:

Pos Driver Team
1 Bottas Mercedes
2 Hamilton Mercedes
3 Vettel Ferrari
4 Leclerc Ferrari
5 Verstappen Red Bull
6 Gasly Red Bull
7 Ricciardo Renault
8 Hulkenberg Renault
9 Magnussen Haas
10 Grosjean Haas
11 Kvyat Toro Rosso
12 Perez Racing Point
13 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
14 Sainz McLaren
15 Norris McLaren
16 Stroll Racing Point
17 Russell Williams
18 Kubica Williams
19 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
20 Albon Toro Rosso

Can't remember the top ten being paired like this.
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just a degree or two more at the front and rear wing..
I'm sure that's the only difference between the car's.
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I'm sure that's the only difference between the car's.
do you believe that the Ferrari engine is stronger than the Mercedes engine?
do you believe that the Ferrari is a better car than the Mercedes?

I believe that the Mercedes is still the best car all around, that the engine still is the strongest, with the best reliability and less gasoline consuming than the Ferrari engine.

top speed in qualifying in kilometer per hour

1 Vettel Ferrari Ferrari 327,1
2 Leclerc Ferrari Ferrari 326,1
3 Ricciardo Renault Renault 323,9
4 Magnussen Haas Ferrari 322,8
5 Kvyat Toro Rosso Honda 322,1
6 Perez Racig Point Mercedes 322
7 Bottas Mercedes Mercedes 322
8 Grosjean Haas Ferrari 322
9 Räikkönen Alfa Ferrari 321,7
10 Hülkenberg Renault Renault 321
11 Norris McLaren Renault 320,7
12 Stroll Racing Point Mercedes 319,5
13 Sainz McLaren Renault 319,3
14 Hamilton Mercedes Mercedes 319,3
15 Verstappen Red Bull Honda 318,3
16 Russell Williams Mercedes 317,2
17 Gasly Red Bull Honda 315,5
18 Kubica Williams Mercedes 313,6
19 Giovinazzi Alfa Ferrari 146,1

are the Renault and the Honda now better engines than the Mercedes?
is the Bottas engine better than the Hamilton engine?
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I remember the days when Renault was big in F1, perhaps again one day.
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Verstappen is such a whiner
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Torpedo Man !
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