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Old 04-05-2019, 10:43 AM   #1
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I have an offer on my current daily driver (Focus) that I'm probably going to accept. If I do, I think that I'd like to replace it with a Legacy wagon. I already have a WRX for a toy, so what I need is something that will seat four adults comfortably and haul equipment to rallies and autocrosses (in addition to getting groceries and making Lowes runs).

So, I have some (odd?) questions:

1. I'm guessing that Subaru has gone to the industry-wide practice of routing the warning buzzers and chimes through the sound system. Does anyone know what the last year was for the little plug-in black box that let you disable the warning sounds?

2. I'm going to be looking for one with an automatic trans. I DON'T want a CVT. Any recommendations on what year(s) would be a good choice? I really don't care about how old this vehicle is... I'll be looking for a clean, low-mileage one and will be willing to pay a premium for that. I have other vehicles to drive, so I won't have to be in a hurry to find one.

3. Outside of rust, are there any issues or years/models I need to avoid? I'll be shopping the southern states for this car, so I want to be able to eliminate any potential problem models before I make long drives to look at possible purchases.

Thanks in advance guys (and gals). This is always the site with Subie answers!
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:50 PM   #2
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I have an offer on my current daily driver (Focus) that I'm probably going to accept. If I do, I think that I'd like to replace it with a Legacy wagon. I already have a WRX for a toy, so what I need is something that will seat four adults comfortably and haul equipment to rallies and autocrosses (in addition to getting groceries and making Lowes runs).

So, I have some (odd?) questions:

1. I'm guessing that Subaru has gone to the industry-wide practice of routing the warning buzzers and chimes through the sound system. Does anyone know what the last year was for the little plug-in black box that let you disable the warning sounds?

2. I'm going to be looking for one with an automatic trans. I DON'T want a CVT. Any recommendations on what year(s) would be a good choice? I really don't care about how old this vehicle is... I'll be looking for a clean, low-mileage one and will be willing to pay a premium for that. I have other vehicles to drive, so I won't have to be in a hurry to find one.

3. Outside of rust, are there any years/models I need to avoid? I'll be shopping the southern states for this car, so I want to be able to eliminate any potential problem models before I make long drives to look at possible purchases.

Thanks in advance guys (and gals). This is always the site with Subie answers!
1: Sorry, I was always under the impression that the chime was separate. I'll have to listen to mine a little better next time.

2: If you want a Legacy or Outback without CVT, you'll have to go 2009 or older. They went to CVT in 2010.

3: I've had Naturally Aspired Legacies, Foresters & Imprezas, since they all basically have the same powertrain (except gear ratios), I don't think any one is worse than the other. Just look underneath at the head gaskets for leaks. You should also check for gas bubbles in the overflow tank while the engine is running. That's another sign of a failed head gasket. And ask if/when the timing belt was done.

Good luck in your search!
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:30 PM   #3
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1) buckle your seatbelt
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Old 04-06-2019, 08:43 AM   #4
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Legacy wagon has never been available with a CVT in the states.


Seatbelt chime(if that's what you are refering to) can be turned off with a sequence. Youtube has videos. And, as stated above of course, if you buckle it, it won't go off.
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Old 04-06-2019, 06:52 PM   #5
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Legacy wagon has never been available with a CVT in the states.
Well, that's interesting! I guess I should have done more research on the transmissions.

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Seatbelt chime(if that's what you are refering to) can be turned off with a sequence. Youtube has videos. And, as stated above of course, if you buckle it, it won't go off.
It's not just the seatbelt chime - I just don't like warning buzzers (door ajar, lights on after shut-off, etc.). As for the seatbelt itself, my problem is that the chime interrupts my preferred start-up sequence. I like to start the car and then buckle the seatbelt and check my mirror adjustment while the fluids circulate. My Focus also chimes if I turn off the engine before I put the car in Park. What? It's not enough that I can't take out the keys?? I guess all this comes from being an old guy who started driving before there were any of these nanny devices!!
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:26 PM   #6
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Legacy wagon has never been available with a CVT in the states.
Do they still make Legacy Wagons? I thought they only made Outback Wagons after 2007.
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:07 PM   #7
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Do they still make Legacy Wagons? I thought they only made Outback Wagons after 2007.
I think that you're correct, but that's OK with me. A 2007 or earlier would just have fewer electronic devices, and that would make me happy. Also, I guess that an Outback would be OK, but I'd just as soon not have the additional ride height.

This vehicle would be a sort-of daily driver... more focused on less-than-perfect weather and trips that would require substantial hauling capacity and/or seating for multiple adults. I had an early Forester for a while that worked pretty well for these tasks, but didn't have enough 'people room'. It came to an early death when a trailer-towing twit lost control of his Chevy 4WD pickup on a wet downhill.

I'm not in a hurry to buy anything right now - it will all depend on whether or not I sell one or both of my Focuses (Foci?).
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:03 PM   #8
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Current model Legacy is a sedan, Outback is a wagon. Either vehicle comes equipped with CVT 2010 and up.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:10 PM   #9
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I think that you're correct, but that's OK with me. A 2007 or earlier would just have fewer electronic devices, and that would make me happy. Also, I guess that an Outback would be OK, but I'd just as soon not have the additional ride height.

This vehicle would be a sort-of daily driver... more focused on less-than-perfect weather and trips that would require substantial hauling capacity and/or seating for multiple adults. I had an early Forester for a while that worked pretty well for these tasks, but didn't have enough 'people room'. It came to an early death when a trailer-towing twit lost control of his Chevy 4WD pickup on a wet downhill.

I'm not in a hurry to buy anything right now - it will all depend on whether or not I sell one or both of my Focuses (Foci?).
Then you're going to want an Outback instead of a Legacy. You'll want that wagon room instead of being stuck with a trunk. Though if you source a Legacy that old, you could find yourself an LGT: practicality + all the fun of a WRX.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:32 PM   #10
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2: If you want a Legacy or Outback without CVT, you'll have to go 2009 or older. They went to CVT in 2010.
The 3.6R Legacy was conventional automatic only at least through 2010. The 3.6R is now CVT only, but I don't know when the switch was made.


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Old 04-13-2019, 09:27 PM   #11
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The cvt is pretty decent in the legacy/outback. The 4eat, IMO, is terrible, and all of the 2.5 non turbo models came with it. Id take a trip to a local used dealer and test drive the auto legacy and youll realize the same. The 5eat was much better but think you can only get it on the turbo models (and maybe the 3.0/3.6)
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:44 AM   #12
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Do they still make Legacy Wagons? I thought they only made Outback Wagons after 2007.
For the states, the 2007 was the last model year. For Canada, they made the Legacy wagon through the rest of the design cycle.

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The 3.6R Legacy was conventional automatic only at least through 2010. The 3.6R is now CVT only, but I don't know when the switch was made.


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Legacy wasn't 3.6 UNTIL 2010. 3.0 before that. 3.6 was mated to the HTCVT for the 2015MY.
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:39 AM   #13
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SUBE, I see you're in southern Ohio (thanks for including that in your profile). I'm not familiar with much of Ohio besides the Great Lakes northern part. If they salt the roads where you are, you'll want to try to source a car this old from someplace where they don't salt the roads. Subarus do not do well with salt and can tend to become rust buckets.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:37 AM   #14
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The cvt is pretty decent in the legacy/outback. The 4eat, IMO, is terrible, and all of the 2.5 non turbo models came with it. I’d take a trip to a local used dealer and test drive the auto legacy and you’ll realize the same. The 5eat was much better but think you can only get it on the turbo models (and maybe the 3.0/3.6)
Oh let me sing the hate of the 4EAT, but also sing its praises. Its mediocrity was such that it drove me at a run into getting an MT and into a WRX, thus starting me down this road of being an enthusiast.

It really did suck donkey balls, especially if you needed to accelerate while already cruising and a gap left of you opened up temporarily. The thing wouldn't drop a gear or two to let you accelerate to join the traffic till the guy behind and to the left had already begun pulling hard enough that if you moved when it finally dropped gears to accelerate, he'd rear end you at 60.

Compared to that piece of crap, the CVT is a performance dream. It smoothly drops ratios right when you want it to and doesn't let the engine lug when you floor it, and then bounces right back up with a gentle easing of pedal pressure for smooth cruising.

Of course compared to an MT, the CVT is rubber-bandy as hell, heavy, boring, and can't hold torque worth a damn without a good cooling implementation. But compared to the 4EAT's performance, it is a gem.
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